As I said earlier, I heard Iceland is nice. To cold for "them"...From where I sit, it looks like the hedonistic, athiestic, excessively tolerant genes are going to be culled from both Europe and America in subsequent generations. Much misery will ensue before this occurs, but the people responsible will have brought it upon themselves, as well as the rest of us.
Healthcare & rationing
http://edition.cnn.com/2009/HEALTH/09/1 ... ef=24hours
Just to spice the discussion up a bit more, another article.
Just to spice the discussion up a bit more, another article.
What you don't appear to understand is that's how they make money, not by inviting lawsuits and bad publicity by reneging on contracts.No TallDave, I do understand that PRIVATE insurance companies invest the money we give them
Not by our standards.. The Austrian public health insurance does not do that and it is still mostly fine
Vaccinations, yes. Checkups -- well, it depends on what you check. It probably isn't cost-effective to do a full MRI body scan every six months. There are all kinds of tests one could do, if one isn't required to pay for them.Again, this is bullshit. Spending money on routine checkups helps prevent much more expensive treatments later. Same goes with vaccinations.
The CBO did a study and found that increasing preventive medicine beyond what is already done today would increase, not decrease, overall costs.
Sorry, GDP is what it is. MRI availability is what it is. Cancer survival rates are what they are. Half your country would be in poverty by our standards. Specialist wait times are what they are. Drug availability is what it is.No offense, but you guys are poor compared to us
I still raise the bullshit card on that. You can ask my wife. Even poor people here have rather good lives
A "good life" is relative. Those African Bushmen are always smiling. I don't want their healthcare system either.
The plural of anecdote is not data.Again, you may ask my wife.
As I suspected they don't give the insurer's side of those cases. Anyone can claim anything to a sympathetic reporter. And notice the insurers always seem to lose in court anyway.Well here it is for a third time (yeah, I had already posted it twice):
So you're only 1.6 percent more likely to die without insurance?Skipjack wrote:http://edition.cnn.com/2009/HEALTH/09/1 ... ef=24hours
Just to spice the discussion up a bit more, another article.
I feel better about being uninsured already.
But really, these look like medical Darwin Awards. I don't know which is worse, the guy who waits three days for medical attention with appendicitis or the woman who thinks insurance costs $5,000 a month (and if it did, why not pay a couple hundred for a checkup that would have found the heart disease?)
I'm with this guy:
"The findings in this research are based on faulty methodology and the death risk is significantly overstated," said John C. Goodman, the president of the NCPA in a statement.
Well fact is that they would not routinely do a vaginal ultra sound on my wife in the US and they are doing it here. Not all checkups require an MRI. Actually there is a lot of stuff you see better with oder modalities such as CT and US.There are all kinds of tests one could do, if one isn't required to pay for them.
Well they seemingly dont care about bad publicity, because they have already got that. Heck it is even visible to us over here.What you don't appear to understand is that's how they make money, not by inviting lawsuits and bad publicity by reneging on contracts.
Maybe we just are better at preventing cancers from developing, leaving only the more severe cases that have lower survival rates?Cancer survival rates are what they are.
Well it is good relative to the US.A "good life" is relative. Those African Bushmen are always smiling. I don't want their healthcare system either.
In the US you have a lot very rich people and a lot of poor people and very little inbetween. The middle class is going away. Austria at least has somewhat of a middle class left.
Not by your standards what?Not by our standards.
What standards are these supposed to be anyway?
Maybe true.But really, these look like medical Darwin Awards.
Did you finally get to read the other article too? It is only a page back, if not.
The plural of anecdote is not data. Is there some proof this is cost-effective anyway?Well fact is that they would not routinely do a vaginal ultra sound on my wife in the US and they are doing it here.
This is ridiculous even for you. Obviously bad publicity is bad. More bad publicity is worse.Well they seemingly dont care about bad publicity, because they have already got that.
Ah yes, more of your expert knowledge on the U.S. Please, do tell.In the US you have a lot very rich people and a lot of poor people and very little inbetween.
Do I need to go through the list yet again?Not by your standards what?
What standards are these supposed to be anyway?
Or maybe this is the stupidest thing I've ever read. How exactly is your medical system preferentially preventing low-risk cancers? The Nobel Committe should be apprised.Maybe we just are better at preventing cancers from developing, leaving only the more severe cases that have lower survival rates?
I already addressed it. No surprises there.Did you finally get to read the other article too? It is only a page back, if not.
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That is the other thing I find hillarious. Everything even a little left of you is a socialist. In Europe even your democrats would sit on the far right.40%? Ha. Who cares what the socialists think.
If you want to see real socialists, you need to come to Austria (I honestly dislike them quite a bit). I mean these people really are beyond reasoning.
Again, what about the other article?
Your ignorance is hilarious. They're not "a little to the left," they explicitly advocate single-payer. Over here that puts you in the way far left. They would probably be proud to call themselves socialists.
Again, I already addressed the other article. It was exactly what I expected.
Again, I already addressed the other article. It was exactly what I expected.
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How does a checkup prevent cancer?
In any case, we do more diagnostics than you guys. That's one reason why we have better survival rates.
In any case, we do more diagnostics than you guys. That's one reason why we have better survival rates.
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No, your ignorance of your own countries politics is.Your ignorance is hilarious. They're not "a little to the left," they explicitly advocate single-payer.
I have at least bothered to listen to Obamas adress to the congress. I did not hear anything of a single payer system. In contrary, he explicitely said that the private insurance companies will be part of the programm.