Man aiding homeless person held by police

[ladajo]

Lead too, not just paint, and long marches with heavy loads. Bugs when it isn't cold. There's something I have faith in that you don't.

Utter Bullshit.

Since you want to put your dick on the table, I can guarantee you that I have fired more rounds of more flavors in professional settings than you have probably ever even seen.

For example my single shoot 7.62 top usage is around 18,000 rds. Hard give an exact count as we normally stopped counting after the first couple k. A average shoot for me in those days was easily 5k to 10k. For the record, I really don't like humping 7.62 around. Especially in the jungle.
For 5.56 single shoot top burn stands at about 5K. That particular day I remember well as my Tri-Point Tac Sling's forward loop melted off my M4. Had to pause several times in the cycles as the M4 got hot enough to cook of 30rd mags upon insertion. I also got a new barrel coming off that day. The armorers were not happy, as I had just gotten a new weapon for that particular trip.
I can tell similar stories regarding .45 and 9mm. Although to be honest I preferred .45, the HK semi-automatic crew served side arm is massive, but for me comfortable. (unless you put the friggin suppressor on it, then it hangs down past your friggin knee and almost requires a bi-pod.)
If you want to talk about 12 gauge, we can go there too. I have a not so found memory of a non-stop dynamic that ran me through 1200 rounds of mixed 00 and slugs. Not for the meek at shoulder that one.

Another favorite of mine is the M2. Having burned more rounds than I can remember, at close ranges (<500yds) it was my favorite, as it was like a laser.

You are full of it.

[paperburn1]

Boat Crew?

[Diogenes]

You are such a child, what drug do you think I do?

My guess is that you constantly O.D. on Hubris.

[ladajo]

Boat Crew?

And other.

[paperburn1]

Got ya.

[ladajo]

Got ya.

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[paperburn1]

Real world, I work for Cubic worldwide. Flight simulation, ACM training for east coast marines. Handle AV8B, EA6B and C130J

[ladajo]

I have moved on from my previous 3 decades of adventures. Now more sendentiary. Desk with a window sort of thing.
Still get around a bit though. Also get to keep my fingers in pies.
I know Cubic. Many tenticles have they.

[TDPerk]

@Ladajo

"Utter Bullshit.

Since you want to put your dick on the table, I can guarantee you that I have fired more rounds of more flavors in professional settings than you have probably ever even seen."

I don't know why I should care what your experiences have been, when we're talking about what I know mine have been. And if I recall, you "put yours on the table" first, claiming to know me and how a two-way range with me on it would go. You don't.

@Diogenes

"My guess is that you constantly O.D. on Hubris."

That would be the people who presume to try to screw with other people without cause, like you, Ladajo, and GIThruster.

[ladajo]

All I know is what you said and the way you said it.

It speaks to me that you are a couch potato warrior and couldn't hold your own when it matters.
Come talk to me when you've had real rounds come the other way or even if you've put real rounds out at stuff that wasn't yours. Until then stick to Call of Duty or what ever it is you like. For christ's sake you cited playing paintball as meaningful. Try lipstick and see how that compares to paintball. But you probably don't have a clue what I'm talking about. I am also willing to bet that your vaunted "range" time didn't even come close to anything like real stress or failure drills.
Let's see how you static when you can't lift your arms or your hand shakes so much you can't pick your nose without poking your eye. Let's see how well you do with dynamic under those conditions. But again, I am sure you have no idea what I am talking about. And I am not even talking real life. That is another thing again.

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[MSimon]

No one is talking about making them available at will for everyone under any circumstances, which is what you imply, not even MSimon.

Are you that niave??? Here let me refresh your short term memory for what Msimon thinks:

Pot legalization is only a first step. I want to destroy the whole prohibition infrastructure

And so?

Destroying the whole prohibition structure does not mean making all of them freely available over the counter ala pre 1914. The country is no where near ready for that. Even most ardent anti-prohibitionists still believe drugs are addictive (if I ask why every one who tries these "addictive" drugs doesn't get addicted - well they have no coherent answer. But that is a later question for a more enlightened era.)

What we will evolve through, until the general understanding is better, is regulation. Age limits. Prescriptions. "Addiction" clinics. etc.

Now what makes more sense than the "addiction" nonsense?

People in chronic pain chronically take pain relievers. i.e. the only people "addicted" are the people who need the drugs. PTSD mostly. And most of that from child abuse. But we are not ready for that. Why? Well it is difficult for old people to get new understandings of things imprinted in their emotional brains. So at the present time I do not favor going back to pre-1914. It is politically untenable. I will settle for now pre-1937. As a way point.

What is odd is that the Prohibition idea came about from a coalition of Progressives and Southern Baptists. When that coalition split eventually the Progressives changed their minds and the Republicans got the Dixiecrats.

In any case we can't end opiate prohibition until the CIA and the banks find a new source of slush funds. Afghanistan any one? Opiate production is up. If you ever want to know where the CIA is busiest look at what drugs are crossing our international borders. Why all the interdiction efforts then? To keep freelancers out of the wholesale end of the business.

Corrupt? Hell yeah. But despite good documentation - see McCoy's "The Politics of Heroin" you can't get true believers to look. And I have provided numerous links - including one to Tojo and the Manchurian opiate concession. So for the time being I'll settle for incremental change. My ultimate aim is pre 1914 when the opiate addiction rate was 1.3% as opposed to the 1.3% it is now. Lots of blood and treasure for nothing. Because drugs are not addictive. Pain is. And the pain reservoir in society appears to be 1.3%. When medical science eventually looks at the question (we will need a will and better tools) support for all prohibitions of that sort will go away. But it is going to be a while. Because we are not looking. Why? Well if what I say is correct it will cut off the prohibition impulse at its knees. And then what will the CIA and banks do for slush funds?

My personal problem is that I do not believe in the opiate Demon. Lots of people have that faith. But people have all kinds of strange faiths. You just have to wait for the believers to pass before reason can arise. Time is on my side.

[MSimon]

BTW the utility of the cannabinoids is so great that I'm putting ALL my effort there. For now.

That and I don't like the police state that arises from prohibition. See the original start of this thread. There is a strain in American politics that loves police states. I'm doing my best to make those folks VERY unpopular. Time is on my side.

BTW the same police state mentality arose from Alcohol Prohibition. So it is nothing new in American politics.

[GIThruster]

That would be the people who presume to try to screw with other people without cause, like you, Ladajo, and GIThruster.

I like the company you put me in but I can't imagine what you're trying and failing to say. Did you want to try again?

[ladajo]

if I ask why every one who tries these "addictive" drugs doesn't get addicted - well they have no coherent answer

A very immature and childish perspective.

You may as well ask why everyone who takes a lethal poison doesn't die. Apparently you would think it not lethal. This is how children think.

Your entire argument is comparable to that of an angry child who did not get things the way they wanted.

I also like how you change your story when it looks bad. Another childish trait.

You have made it very clear for a number of years what you want. And regulation is not it.

If you are changing your position then man up and say so.

[MSimon]

My theory is coherent. People in chronic pain chronically take pain relievers. Which means that "addictive" drugs are no threat to the general population.

Fears of "addiction" are a control mechanism. And, just as during Alcohol Prohibition nothing is controlled. But any one can be put in the sights. (see the start of this thread).

The only question is who supplies the drugs? Criminals or a legal entity.

Well. Opiates will be next after people find out that "Reefer Madness" is madness. And it is cleared off the table.

The most dangerous thing to a control scheme is when the lies begin to be publicly unraveled. see R,USS (former).

if I ask why every one who tries these "addictive" drugs doesn't get addicted - well they have no coherent answer

A very immature and childish perspective.

You may as well ask why everyone who takes a lethal poison doesn't die. Apparently you would think it not lethal. This is how children think.

Your entire argument is comparable to that of an angry child who did not get things the way they wanted.

I also like how you change your story when it looks bad. Another childish trait.

You have made it very clear for a number of years what you want. And regulation is not it.

If you are changing your position then man up and say so.