Crime and Punishment: Oklahoma (& Texas) style!

[kcdodd]

So then it may be even easier to start than I thought.

[MSimon]

Well we have a Dr with an opposing view - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kvwz9WyI3OM he says every one should be eating cannabis for heart health. He was a heart surgeon before he retired. He thought all that medical pot stuff was bunk until he became misinformed by reading the literature.

Unless you making a killing growing your own weed and selling it.
One high-profile case was the arrest of Dr. David Bruce Allen, 53, a retired heart surgeon from Pascagoula.

Harlan Kirgan/Press-RegisterDr. David Bruce Allen arrested in March in Oakland, Calif., after a February raid on his Escatawpa property
He was arrested in March in Oakland, Calif., after a February raid on his Escatawpa property. He was charged with cultivation of marijuana and sale of hashish while in the possession of a firearm.

Then in December, he was accused of felony witness tampering, bribing a witness, attempting to induce perjury and misdemeanor marijuana possession.

Well accused is not convicted:

http://blog.gulflive.com/mississippi-pr ... f_for.html

PASCAGOULA, Mississippi -- Former local heart surgeon Dr. David Bruce Allen spent his first day out of jail in 14 months on Friday.

Allen was released on $201,000 bail from the Jackson County Adult Detention Center at 8:23 Thursday night, about two hours after a jury declared a mistrial on the remaining two drug-related charges against him, officials confirmed Friday.

The jury deliberated for two hours Thursday afternoon before sending Judge Robert Krebs a note that they were "hopelessly deadlocked."

Allen was on trial on charges of manufacturing and transporting a controlled substance. He had originally faced six charges -- three drug charges and three witness-tampering charges -- but Krebs threw out four of the charges Thursday morning for insufficient evidence before the jury had been seated.

The charges that remained when jurors went into deliberations were related to accusations that Allen grew high-grade marijuana in a room on his property in Jackson County, and shipped hashish from California to Mississippi for his sister and brother-in-law, Gail and Rodney Lee, to sell.

The Lees were living on Allen's 50-acre property, known as the Blue Hole, located off Miss. 613. Police raided the property in February 2009 and found a high-tech grow room, according to testimony.

The Blue Hole property was seized by law enforcement during the raid, and the property's forfeiture is still pending, according to District Attorney Tony Lawrence.

"It is not yet set for trial," Lawrence said via e-mail on Friday. "The forfeiture action is separate from the criminal case and one outcome is not determinative of the other."

Allen, his lawyer Michael Crosby, Lawrence and others involved in the case are under a gag order imposed by Krebs, limiting their discussion of the case's specific facts.

Prior to his release on bail, Krebs instructed Allen to surrender his passport and avoid speaking with any witnesses in his case.

Prosecutors have not yet said if there would be a retrial, but Lawrence indicated that the case is being re-evaluated by his office.

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So:

1. Doctor speaks out
2. Government accuses Doctor of crimes
3. Government tries to steal his property

Too bad he wasn't a Jew in Germany in the early 40s. The case would have been a slam dunk. The Doctor would still be in a "camp" or worse and the State would have his property.

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Nice kind of state you are advocating paperburn1. What do you think your politics will look like as more of these depredations come to light with the fall of Prohibition?

I intend to make the Prohibitionist camp pariahs for eternity by just bringing to light the results they have so far obtained. Where will you turn for succor? Even your God (really a Devil) will abandon you as inconvenient. And your "friends"? There is no honor among thieves. Sauve qui peut.

[MSimon]

(SACRAMENTO, CA) - Dr. David Allen is a cardiovascular surgeon who had spent his entire career saving the lives of people in his community. He's hardly the man you would expect to be framed by a corrupt narcotics squad and rogue sheriff, but that is exactly what happened in this story.

Born David Bruce Allen from St. Louis, Missouri. He actively was practicing medicine in Pascagoula from 1994 to 2007 at a clinic on Hospital Street, and was regularly performing life saving heart surgeries at Singing River Hospital.

Dr. Allen's hands had held the hearts, and saved the lives of countless Pascagoula residents. For over a decade he was held as a renowned surgeon, who had saved hundreds of lives during his 13 years of service to the community.

In October 2008 he began work in the Sacramento area at various clinics. In early 2009, he decided to open a legal medicinal marijuana clinic. He was well received by the community and his new practice flourished. That was until the Narcotics Task Force of Jackson County Mississippi headed by Lt. Curtis Spiers descended.

In what can only be described as a "setup raid" on February 19th 2009, the Task Force claimed they had seized marijuana and hashish. As proof they presented doctored photos from the internet, and claimed they had evidence against the former heart surgeon.

The charges where one of each, for cultivation, possession of marijuana, as well as a charge for sale of hashish. The motive behind the cover-up, Dr. Allen's 40-acre estate which he owned in Escatawpa, known by locals as the Blue Hole because of a large body of water which is located on the property.

The agents indicted Dr. Allen while he was in California on the trumped up charges, and extradited him in a passenger van for a week across state lines. The officers transporting him were not officers at all, but instead a private security firm with contracts to transport the accused.

Cruel and unusual punishment was perpetrated while the transport was happening. They refused to allow timely bathroom breaks, water breaks, or even the human decency to roll down a window for air. The transport agents' verbal assaults became a normality along the way.

The combination of false accusations and the torture endured on the trip to a Mississippi jail, was almost too much for this accomplished surgeon.

Dr. Allen stated in a media interview in February 2012 by Eapen Thampyhe with http://www.forfeiturereform.com:

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I was in a coma for three days. I really wanted to kill myself, only through the grace of God did I make it through that.

”

This was not the end but just the beginning of the nightmare. Now, the former heart surgeon was just another inmate at the George County Regional Correction Facility, waiting for his day in court.

Unjustly accused with a total of six felony crimes; three marijuana offenses, and three witness-tampering charges, if convicted, he would face more than 50 years in prison.

Meanwhile back in California, the whole medical marijuana community was shocked and outraged by the false accusations and trumped up criminal charges. Steve DeAngelo of Harborside Health Center spearheaded a letter writing campaign and gave free medicine to the patients who wrote to Dr. Allen. Blogs and websites were full of people wanting Dr. Allen freed immediately.

I was first told about Dr. Allen while in Sacramento with Sioux Colombe an ambassador with Americans for Safe Access. She had personally worked for Dr. Allen and was doing everything in her power to free him. Listening to her tell the tragic story, I could not help but become involved

http://www.salem-news.com/articles/febr ... len-es.php

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Well paperburn1. What now?

What law has Dr. Allen violated? Heal the sick? Such a criminal.

Aren't you, like any Good German, proud of what is being done in your name?

[MSimon]

paperburn1,

Your comment made me do a blog post on the subject of Dr. Allen's bust. You may be amused. Or not.

http://classicalvalues.com/2013/04/rail ... -property/

[paperburn1]

All you have proven was a POV (point of view) Your sympathetic to drug runners/ producers I am not. Jury nullification does not remove the facts. He grew , He transported and profited greatly from his "prescription" of currently illegal drugs. It does not mater if they were grown by the sister and brother in law or himself.
This brings up a larger problem that I think the doctor will be facing. Even though he was cleared of the state charges he will most likely face federal charges and most likely very soon. His statement and rambling to the press from confinement indicate he is a nutjob or he is trying to get the case throw out on mental issues.

Personally I think you could find a better example to defend and support your point.
The only point I could find in his favor is the Jackson Mississippi law enforcement is known for its corruption and has been for a long time.

[paperburn1]

Well paperburn1. What now?

What law has Dr. Allen violated? Heal the sick? Such a criminal.

Aren't you, like any Good German, proud of what is being done in your name?

Quick question, you dislike all Germans (ironic from someone that lives near Stillman valley) and does it include other cultures as well? Perhaps even other races? Just asking as the way you presented the quote.

[GIThruster]

Well in many states my understanding is that even an order of civil protection, something an estranged spouse can easily have their lawyer request from a very compliant judiciary, (sometimes as a tactic in a rancorous divorce), gives the police the right to enter you home, an confiscate all of your firearms, and rescind your right to own guns for life. This without charges being filed, trial, criminal conviction, or even an accusation of unlawful behavior or threat. In many cases the person usually a woman only has to say she doesn't feel safe or "threatened" without any actual action or threat being made to start the wheels turning.

I would be interested to see evidence of this. To be sure there will always be instances of shabby judges making shabby calls, but you're implying that judges have the authority to remove civil rights without cause. I find that highly unlikely. Rather, when someone goes to the courts in fear of their life, it may be possible that under some small set of conditions, extreme measures are taken to secure the freedom of the one pressing the court for relief. And it's important to recognize there the finer distinctions in the law. If someone wins an injunction against you, that has the force of law. Supposedly, for someone to win an injunction against you, you must have provided the court with ample evidence of the threat you pose. IIUC, in most instances like this, the person provided against seldom even shows up in court, but that does not mean they were denied their day in court. Again, you need to look at the actual details.

I am not aware of any instances provided for in federal or state law where someone being held against does not have the right to defend himself in court. Every time a restraining order or similar injunction is formed, the person found against has had their opportunity to defend himself. I'd like to see examples of exceptions if you know of any. Certainly though, the court has the authority to remove firearms from a person house if that person has an injunction against them showing them to be a serious safety risk.

[GIThruster]

Carolina style: http://www.mrconservative.com/2013/04/1 ... -gunfight/

[palladin9479]

All you have proven was a POV (point of view) Your sympathetic to drug runners/ producers I am not. Jury nullification does not remove the facts. He grew , He transported and profited greatly from his "prescription" of currently illegal drugs. It does not mater if they were grown by the sister and brother in law or himself.
This brings up a larger problem that I think the doctor will be facing. Even though he was cleared of the state charges he will most likely face federal charges and most likely very soon. His statement and rambling to the press from confinement indicate he is a nutjob or he is trying to get the case throw out on mental issues.

Personally I think you could find a better example to defend and support your point.
The only point I could find in his favor is the Jackson Mississippi law enforcement is known for its corruption and has been for a long time.

And that's where you are wrong. I don't know, maybe your from China or North Korea, but the justice system in the USA is supposed to be innocent until proven guilty. Seeing as he hasn't been proven guilty via due process therefor he must still be innocent. I realize your vision of the world has you dictating to everyone regardless of petty things like due process or property rights, thankfully not everyone can agree to let you be world emperor.

I could also demand you be summarily shot on charges that you profited from slavery. After all it doesn't matter if it was you, your bother, your sister, or Tom who did it. After all by your logic I don't need to prove you did anything, just mentioned that there are "facts" that you did indeed profit from slavery and therefor should be charged and summarily convicted of those charges. And since I'm bothering to both charge and convict you with nothing more then my word, I might as well go about executing your sentence just to round things out. Wouldn't do to leave things half finished after all.

[paperburn1]

And that's where you are wrong. I don't know, maybe your from China or North Korea, but the justice system in the USA is supposed to be innocent until proven guilty. Seeing as he hasn't been proven guilty via due process therefor he must still be innocent. I realize your vision of the world has you dictating to everyone regardless of petty things like due process or property rights, thankfully not everyone can agree to let you be world emperor.

I could also demand you be summarily shot on charges that you profited from slavery. After all it doesn't matter if it was you, your bother, your sister, or Tom who did it. After all by your logic I don't need to prove you did anything, just mentioned that there are "facts" that you did indeed profit from slavery and therefor should be charged and summarily convicted of those charges. And since I'm bothering to both charge and convict you with nothing more then my word, I might as well go about executing your sentence just to round things out. Wouldn't do to leave things half finished after all.

Sorry but your wrong about innocent until proved guilty. That may be how it should work but that's no how it does work. Accused of a crime, your locked up until trial or you make bail.
He openly admits to "prescription" of currently illegal drugs. Due process was "followed" just the LEO made up evidence and that is what allowed him to go free. If evidence is obtained by false means then any evidence after that point is conceded as "fruit of the poisoned tree" and not allowed in court.
The supreme court ruling of 2010 made property rights null (look it up true ownership is conceded to who can pay the most taxes on that property.. As for the slavery thing none of my family were slave holders (a legal enterprise at the time) as that was outlawed over 100 years ago and we are "new " to this country so now what?? Your logic is fallible at best.

[williatw]

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-575 ... -in-peril/


Background checks voted down; Senate gun bill in peril

"In peril"?!...I would say DOA, good riddance as far as I am concerned.



http://freedomoutpost.com/2013/04/feins ... -defeated/

Dianne Feinstein’s Assault Weapons Ban Defeated


Senator Dianne Feinstein (D-CA), the ugly face of tyranny, was shamed today as her treasonous assault weapons ban bill suffered a huge blow. She didn’t even come close to getting the votes needed.

The votes were 40-60.

The legislation that would have banned the sale of 157 different semi-automatic weapons, including handguns and even shotguns, along with high capacity magazines has come to its much deserved end.

[MSimon]

Well paperburn1. What now?

What law has Dr. Allen violated? Heal the sick? Such a criminal.

Aren't you, like any Good German, proud of what is being done in your name?

Quick question, you dislike all Germans (ironic from someone that lives near Stillman valley) and does it include other cultures as well? Perhaps even other races? Just asking as the way you presented the quote.

No. I rather dislike all humans. The Germans are just one of the best examples we have.

We obeyed the law. We followed orders. - The absolution is absolute - in some minds.

[MSimon]

All you have proven was a POV (point of view) Your sympathetic to drug runners/ producers I am not. Jury nullification does not remove the facts. He grew , He transported and profited greatly from his "prescription" of currently illegal drugs. It does not mater if they were grown by the sister and brother in law or himself.
This brings up a larger problem that I think the doctor will be facing. Even though he was cleared of the state charges he will most likely face federal charges and most likely very soon. His statement and rambling to the press from confinement indicate he is a nutjob or he is trying to get the case throw out on mental issues.

Personally I think you could find a better example to defend and support your point.
The only point I could find in his favor is the Jackson Mississippi law enforcement is known for its corruption and has been for a long time.

State prosecutors have dropped all charges against former heart surgeon Dr. David Bruce Allen, who spent 14 months in jail after being accused in 2009 of growing marijuana on his 50-acre Jackson County property, District Attorney Tony Lawrence said Tuesday.

The district attorney's office filed a motion to dismiss the remaining two charges Monday, and Judge Robert Krebs signed the order to dismiss the same day.

The doctor faced six charges -- three drug charges and three witness-tampering charges -- at his trial in February, but Krebs threw out four of those during the proceedings.

http://blog.gulflive.com/mississippi-pr ... g_cha.html

Doesn't sound much like jury nullification to me. In fact if you are keeping up - Dr. Allen is going after the locals for false arrest. Their motive seems to have been his property.

Filed in U.S. District Court in Gulfport, the lawsuit says David Bruce Allen was the victim of false arrest, false imprisonment for more than a year, slander and libel, assault and battery, emotional distress and irreparable loss of his property and reputation. He is seeking not less than $51 million in compensatory damages and $500 million in punitive damages. He's asked for a jury trial.

Gulfport attorney Michael Crosby represents Allen.

"This was an extremely significant situation where a professional, being a doctor, was for political reasons incarcerated as a retaliation by law enforcement," Crosby said, noting in the lawsuit Byrd had removed a political sign of one of his opponents from Allen's yard and handed it to the doctor a short time before Allen's arrest. "This is an example of the most blatant abuse of power I've seen in my 27 years of practicing law".

http://www.sunherald.com/2013/03/27/455 ... ckson.html

Couldn't have picked a better case. But some people can't handle the truth. And they have beliefs which make them disinterested in searching for it.

[MSimon]

Allen, who left the Coast in 2008 to open a medical-marijuana practice in California, was arrested in 2009 on charges of growing marijuana on his 50-acre farm on Mississippi 613 in the Escatawpa community. Allen was jailed until February 2011, when he went to trial. A judge declared a mistrial because the jury was unable to reach a verdict on two charges against Allen.

The judge dismissed four other charges -- bribery, witness tampering, possession of a controlled substance and trying to induce a witness to commit perjury -- for lack of evidence. The District Attorney's Office decided not to retry the case due to insufficient evidence, also noting

"there was no actual grown marijuana found on the property …"

http://www.sunherald.com/2013/03/27/455 ... ckson.html

[paperburn1]

Sorry my internet attention span is about three days , I am going to move on to something better like the bombing conspiracy. Or something else but this is now a dead horse until the feds get involved.
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