Second Worst President in US History.

[williatw]

Ex-President Carter sends condolences to Kim Jong-un

"In the message Jimmy Carter extended condolences to Kim Jong Un and the Korean people over the demise of leader Kim Jong Il. He wished Kim Jong Un every success as he assumes his new responsibility of leadership, looking forward to another visit to [North Korea] in the future," the KCNA dispatch read.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/ins ... m-jong-un/


What an idiot.

Gee...I wonder if when Stalin died if the leaders of the western world sent condolences to the Soviet people? Or when Brezhnev or Mao Tse Tung died the same? Don't know...somehow doubt if they sent a woo-hoo the SOB is dead Whoo-hoo.

[Diogenes]

Ex-President Carter sends condolences to Kim Jong-un

"In the message Jimmy Carter extended condolences to Kim Jong Un and the Korean people over the demise of leader Kim Jong Il. He wished Kim Jong Un every success as he assumes his new responsibility of leadership, looking forward to another visit to [North Korea] in the future," the KCNA dispatch read.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/ins ... m-jong-un/


What an idiot.

Gee...I wonder if when Stalin died if the leaders of the western world sent condolences to the Soviet people? Or when Brezhnev or Mao Tse Tung died the same? Don't know...somehow doubt if they sent a woo-hoo the SOB is dead Whoo-hoo.

I guess you missed the part where Jimmy Carter was no longer a leader of the Western World? When he was, all he did was lead it closer to destruction. Theocratic Iran, and all the deaths and murders caused as a result of it, are on Jimmy Carter's head.

[williatw]

I guess you missed the part where Jimmy Carter was no longer a leader of the Western World? When he was, all he did was lead it closer to destruction. Theocratic Iran, and all the deaths and murders caused as a result of it, are on Jimmy Carter's head.

I would put it on the heads of the people who ordered it the Ayotallah Khomeini. In any case what did your god Reagan do about Iran after he assumed the presidency? How many of those deaths did his inaction cause? 8yrs in office only thing he did about Iran was the Iran-contra scandal...and what was that? He illegally sold billions in arms to bush's axis of evil sadam Hussein so he could illegally fund that joke of an insurgency the contras in central america. But I know the result isn't god reagans fault because carter didn't take care of khomeini by supporting/re-installing our murderous/torturing ally the Shah.

[Diogenes]

I guess you missed the part where Jimmy Carter was no longer a leader of the Western World? When he was, all he did was lead it closer to destruction. Theocratic Iran, and all the deaths and murders caused as a result of it, are on Jimmy Carter's head.

I would put it on the heads of the people who ordered it the Ayotallah Khomeini. In any case what did your god Reagan do about Iran after he assumed the presidency?

I can tell you what he did BEFORE he assumed the Presidency. He informed Iran that if they were still holding our people hostage after he took office, he would go to war with them. THAT is what a President should have done. Only that Gutless Jimmy Carter was so P*ssyfied that he wouldn't do what was necessary to protect American Citizens and American Interests in the region. What Reagan did AFTER he assumed the Presidency was to keep the FEAR OF GOD in them about screwing with us. It wasn't till Bill Clinton (Another Wussy P*ssy.) came along that they felt bold enough to shoot down our Air Liner. (Flight 800)

How many of those deaths did his inaction cause?

You are asserting a false equivalency here. (That inaction = culpability.) Reagan had no lawful reason for intervening forcefully in the internal affairs of a nation with which we were not at war. Once Iran let our Hostages go, there was no further reason to invoke American Military power.

Carter, on the other hand, actively worked to CREATE the situation of the Ayatollah Khomeini taking over the country. Read through this thread for the proof of it.

8yrs in office only thing he did about Iran was the Iran-contra scandal...and what was that? He illegally sold billions in arms to bush's axis of evil sadam Hussein so he could illegally fund that joke of an insurgency the contras in central america.

Which eventually won. The Sandinistas eventually got voted out of power. As for the Illegality of it, Bullsh*t! Congress cannot constrain the legitimate Powers of the Executive branch. Apart from that, the wheeling and dealing was done by Oliver North. Some believe Reagan was complicit in it, but no one has been able to prove any such thing.

As for myself, I hope he was. It was the right thing to do at the time.

But I know the result isn't god reagans fault because carter didn't take care of khomeini by supporting/re-installing our murderous/torturing ally the Shah.

Carter actively undermined the Shah. You just don't know the details of this. In any case, the Islamics were far worse than the Shah.

Baghi found that between 1963 and 1979, there were 3164 dead among the anti-Shah movement.

How did the Islamic regime do?

The young activists who opposed Ayatollah Khomeini were ill-prepared for what awaited them in prison. They based their expectations on their own experiences in the Shah's prisons, or on what they had heard from previous generations of political prisoners. The Shah's tactics of repression offered no realistic measure of what followed with the rise of Ayatollah Khomeini to power, however. By 1985, approximately thirteen thousand individuals who politically opposed the Ayatollah had been executed.

This doesn't even take into account the 1 million dead from the Iraq/Iran war, the Proxy deaths (Hezbollah) caused by the Iranian regime, or the fact that they are trying to build nuclear weapons. Carter may yet end up being the fool who lit the fuse for Armageddon.

[williatw]

I can tell you what he did BEFORE he assumed the Presidency. He informed Iran that if they were still holding our people hostage after he took office, he would go to war with them. THAT is what a President should have done. Only that Gutless Jimmy Carter was so P*ssyfied that he wouldn't do what was necessary to protect American Citizens and American Interests in the region. What Reagan did AFTER he assumed the Presidency was to keep the FEAR OF GOD in them about screwing with us. It wasn't till Bill Clinton (Another Wussy P*ssy.) came along that they felt bold enough to shoot down our Air Liner. (Flight 800)

How many of those deaths did his inaction cause?

You are asserting a false equivalency here. (That inaction = culpability.) Reagan had no lawful reason for intervening forcefully in the internal affairs of a nation with which we were not at war. Once Iran let our Hostages go, there was no further reason to invoke American Military power.

Carter, on the other hand, actively worked to CREATE the situation of the Ayatollah Khomeini taking over the country. Read through this thread for the proof of it.

8yrs in office only thing he did about Iran was the Iran-contra scandal...and what was that? He illegally sold billions in arms to bush's axis of evil sadam Hussein so he could illegally fund that joke of an insurgency the contras in central america.

Which eventually won. The Sandinistas eventually got voted out of power. As for the Illegality of it, Bullsh*t! Congress cannot constrain the legitimate Powers of the Executive branch. Apart from that, the wheeling and dealing was done by Oliver North. Some believe Reagan was complicit in it, but no one has been able to prove any such thing.

As for myself, I hope he was. It was the right thing to do at the time.

But I know the result isn't god reagans fault because carter didn't take care of khomeini by supporting/re-installing our murderous/torturing ally the Shah.

Carter actively undermined the Shah. You just don't know the details of this. In any case, the Islamics were far worse than the Shah.

Baghi found that between 1963 and 1979, there were 3164 dead among the anti-Shah movement.

How did the Islamic regime do?

The young activists who opposed Ayatollah Khomeini were ill-prepared for what awaited them in prison. They based their expectations on their own experiences in the Shah's prisons, or on what they had heard from previous generations of political prisoners. The Shah's tactics of repression offered no realistic measure of what followed with the rise of Ayatollah Khomeini to power, however. By 1985, approximately thirteen thousand individuals who politically opposed the Ayatollah had been executed.

This doesn't even take into account the 1 million dead from the Iraq/Iran war, the Proxy deaths (Hezbollah) caused by the Iranian regime, or the fact that they are trying to build nuclear weapons. Carter may yet end up being the fool who lit the fuse for Armageddon.

My understanding it was more the unfreezing of the 8 billion in assets in exchange for releasing the hostages that did it, a deal finally brokered by the Carter administration who froze the assets. The Iranians simply waited until carter was out of office to finally follow through as a parting shot. But you can believe in the myth of the god who was Reagan if you wish.

Excuse me? The Iran-Contra scandal not being "really" illegal?! The Congress of the united states can't pass laws signed by a President telling him what he can't do? Since when? The law is the law unless it is struck down by the Federal courts last time I checked. Only they can decide whether said law is constitutional and therefore legal. Reagan the god can do what he wishes of course...mere mortal law is not constraining to the divine after all. The myth of Reagan will endure I am sure. The contras failed it was a joke, most of the money we sent them was stolen, the fact that eventually the sandanistas were voted out of power anyway doesn't change that. And of course we got the money by the illegal arms sales to Iraq, contributing to those million dead of the Iran/Iraq war you mentioned. He "supported" gun rights while signing one of the most restrictive gun laws at the time while he was gov of Calif. the one the 1968 federal gun law was based on (to say nothing of the Brady bill he also supported).

Arguably worst for the Iranian people the murderous psychopath they installed but that’s more their problem than ours. Of course we helped to prop up the other murderous psychopath when it suited our purposes sadam but that’s okay. If your god Reagan or bush or bush junior who reigned for 20yrs in total after Carter thought Khomeini & the fundamentalist Iranians were these existentialist threats to the human race they should have toppled them or assassinated them. Lack of action is fault when you sit in the most powerful office on earth. Especially when God Reagan & his minions thought he didn’t have to follow laws passed by Congress if you didn’t agree with them. You don't get a by just because you think your predecessor should have taken care of it.

[williatw]

Only that Gutless Jimmy Carter was so P*ssyfied that he wouldn't do what was necessary to protect American Citizens and American Interests in the region. What Reagan did AFTER he assumed the Presidency was to keep the FEAR OF GOD in them about screwing with us. It wasn't till Bill Clinton (Another Wussy P*ssy.) came along that they felt bold enough to shoot down our Air Liner. (Flight 800) .

Yeah Reagan the manly man who when he served in WW2 never left the states. Some kind of medical problem I believe, think he made some training films or something. He was a "B" movie actor.. he only played he-men when the cameras were rolling...he "acted" the role of president for 8 years. His own vice president when he was running against him later prez Bush senior labeled his economic plans as "Voodo economics"

[Skipjack]

Reagan was the right president for the time. He simply talked the Soviet Union into collapse
I have a lot of respect for him.

[williatw]

I guess you missed the part where Jimmy Carter was no longer a leader of the Western World? When he was, all he did was lead it closer to destruction. Theocratic Iran, and all the deaths and murders caused as a result of it, are on Jimmy Carter's head.

I would put it on the heads of the people who ordered it the Ayotallah Khomeini. In any case what did your god Reagan do about Iran after he assumed the presidency? How many of those deaths did his inaction cause? 8yrs in office only thing he did about Iran was the Iran-contra scandal...and what was that? He illegally sold billions in arms to bush's axis of evil sadam Hussein so he could illegally fund that joke of an insurgency the contras in central america. But I know the result isn't god reagans fault because carter didn't take care of khomeini by supporting/re-installing our murderous/torturing ally the Shah.

Need to correct on one point. Apparently it was to Iran we sold the arms...the ayotallah Khomeini's Iran we gave aid and comfort to the enemy, to the tune of billions of dollars in arms we sold them (top that Carter). Under Reagan god...un f*&%ing believable! I guess that explains why he didn't try topple them he was actually helping Iran during the Iran-Iraq war.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_Contra

The scandal began as an operation to free seven American hostages being held by a group with Iranian ties connected to the Army of the Guardians of the Islamic Revolution. It was planned that Israel would ship weapons to Iran, and then the U.S. would resupply Israel and receive the Israeli payment. The Iranian recipients promised to do everything in their power to achieve the release of the U.S. hostages. The plan deteriorated into an arms-for-hostages scheme, in which members of the executive branch sold weapons to Iran in exchange for the release of the American hostages

[Diogenes]

My understanding it was more the unfreezing of the 8 billion in assets in exchange for releasing the hostages that did it, a deal finally brokered by the Carter administration who froze the assets. The Iranians simply waited until carter was out of office to finally follow through as a parting shot. But you can believe in the myth of the god who was Reagan if you wish.

Young man, I lived through this period of History. I remember it distinctly because I hung on every word. Everyone in the nation listened intently to everything being said from both sides during the fall of 1979. You do not know what the F*ck you are talking about. You are reading subsequent liberal propaganda, and trying to bullsh*t someone who has actually kept up with the subject. Sorry, no sale. The Iranians were scared Sh*tless of Ronald Reagan. The country was in the mood to do something very bloody to them. "Bomb Iran" was a popular bumper sticker. "Nukem till they glow" was another. There were songs on the Radio about whipping up on Iran. Iran was just begging for a beating, and once we got that P*ssy out of the way, they were gonna get it. They let go of those hostages for one reason only. FEAR. Reagan had said during the campaign that if those hostages were still being held when he took office, he was going to order immediate military strikes against Iran.

Your understanding is just wrong, and no doubt the result of attempts by liberals to re-write history.

Excuse me? The Iran-Contra scandal not being "really" illegal?! The Congress of the united states can't pass laws signed by a President telling him what he can't do?

I don't think you even know what you're talking about. What law are YOU referring to? Let's see if you know anything other than Daily Kos talking points.

Since when? The law is the law unless it is struck down by the Federal courts last time I checked. Only they can decide whether said law is constitutional and therefore legal. Reagan the god can do what he wishes of course...mere mortal law is not constraining to the divine after all.

It's telling how much vitriol you express in your disdain for Reagan. He showed up all the Democrat P*ssies as chumps, and got re-elected in a massive land slide. He did almost everything right, and the weenies can't stand it!

The myth of Reagan will endure I am sure.

Probably. The Democrats keep churning out the crap on a daily basis. Reagan was the Greatest president since George Washington, and every Democrat President of the 20th Century (and the 21st Century) has been a horrible and massive failure.

The contras failed it was a joke, most of the money we sent them was stolen, the fact that eventually the sandanistas were voted out of power anyway doesn't change that.

Uh yeah, it does. When have communists ever been voted OUT of power? Were it not for those Back Stabbing Democrats who cut off their funding in their struggle against the Communist Sandinistas, they would have relinquished power a lot sooner.

And of course we got the money by the illegal arms sales to Iraq, contributing to those million dead of the Iran/Iraq war you mentioned.

If they were illegal, who went to jail over it? Hmmm???? Last I heard, Oliver North was acquitted of most charges, and won on appeal on the other charges. We sold weapons to both sides, but you miss the point. Had Iran remained an ally of the United States, we would not have needed to use Iraq as a counterweight.

Had the Shah remained in power in Iran, there never would have been a million plus dead Iran/Iraq war. Iraq, (which instigated the war) would not have attacked a staunch American Ally. It was Jimmy Carter's deliberate efforts to undermine the Shah, and his lack of support for the Shah regime which CAUSED an American Friendly Regime to be deposed in the most Crucial nation in the middle east.

Because Jimmy Carter was a quintessential idiot, the body count and bloodshed just keeps piling up higher.

He "supported" gun rights while signing one of the most restrictive gun laws at the time while he was gov of Calif. the one the 1968 federal gun law was based on (to say nothing of the Brady bill he also supported).

After Robert Kennedy got shot, the whole country went stupid for awhile. I have right now on my office wall, a token of the gun insanity of the 1960s. It's a 1911 police revolver that was crushed in a massive federal gun destruction program, framed and mounted with a brass plate saying "BATF Commerative: Custom work by the U.S. Government. "

As for the Brady Bill, Reagan did not really support it. He made some half-hearted comments as a result of his friendship with James Brady, but he never made any real effort to push it. Everyone knew it was a token gesture without any effort in it. People did not fault him for it because they knew it was just to make his friend happy.

Arguably worst for the Iranian people the murderous psychopath they installed but that’s more their problem than ours. Of course we helped to prop up the other murderous psychopath when it suited our purposes sadam but that’s okay.

Absolutely. Let me go on record as saying I believe it is our Duty to prop up murderous Psychopaths when it is in the best interests of the United States. We were far better off with the Shah and his secret police holding down the Iranian nut-burgers than the entire world is with his replacement, the murderous Ayatollah Khomeini. The Same thing with Chiang Kai-shek, which that Idiot Harry Truman refused to support, (with surplus and unneeded American Military equipment) thereby taking responsibility for the 100 million dead (So far) as a result of the ascendency of Mao Tse Tung.

Even Franklin Deleanor Roosevelt is on record as favoring support for the murderous "Uncle Joe" Stalin, the man directly responsible for the murder of perhaps 20 million people. *HIM* I would have not supported. He was as bad or worse than Hitler.

If your god Reagan or bush or bush junior who reigned for 20yrs

?????? You're losing it dude.

in total after Carter thought Khomeini & the fundamentalist Iranians were these existentialist threats to the human race they should have toppled them or assassinated them.

The United States has maintained a policy prohibiting the Assasination of Foreign leaders since Gerald Ford first instituted it in the mid seventies. It is a policy which I disagree with, but none the less Presidents have adhered to it. Apparently they see a downside that I don't see.

Lack of action is fault when you sit in the most powerful office on earth.

So you agree that Harry Truman is responsible for the deaths of 100 million people as a result of his deliberate inaction in opposing the rise of Mao Tse Tung? (with unneeded surplus American military equipment.)

Especially when God Reagan & his minions thought he didn’t have to follow laws passed by Congress if you didn’t agree with them.

If they involve attempts to regulate the President's foreign policy, then he doesn't have to pay any attention to them. The Executive branch has exclusive jurisdiction over foreign affairs, and congress commits a breach of powers when they attempt to constrain a President's foreign policy.

As it turns out, the court system apparently agreed. I know of no convictions as the result of violating any of these so called "laws."

You don't get a by just because you think your predecessor should have taken care of it.

Roosevelt WAS supplying Chiang Kai-shek. It was Truman that dropped the ball on that one, giving us not only 100 million dead Chinese, but the Korean War as well, and a Nuclear armed Chinese Enemy State. Good going Truman! (He also dropped the ball on Russian Nuclear Proliferation.)

You really ought to learn your history better. The truth is that Democrat Presidents usually cause horrible disasters, the consequences of which entail massive body piles, massive loss of money, and dire circumstances for the future. From Andrew Jackson's stealing of Indian land to create Slave Plantations, to the present clueless idiot, Democrats murder and enslave more people by accident than Republicans could do on purpose.
They also enslave plenty on purpose. Look at Johnson's "War on Poverty". It made dependent chumps out of everyone it was intended to help.

[Diogenes]

Only that Gutless Jimmy Carter was so P*ssyfied that he wouldn't do what was necessary to protect American Citizens and American Interests in the region. What Reagan did AFTER he assumed the Presidency was to keep the FEAR OF GOD in them about screwing with us. It wasn't till Bill Clinton (Another Wussy P*ssy.) came along that they felt bold enough to shoot down our Air Liner. (Flight 800) .

Yeah Reagan the manly man who when he served in WW2 never left the states. Some kind of medical problem I believe, think he made some training films or something. He was a "B" movie actor.. he only played he-men when the cameras were rolling...he "acted" the role of president for 8 years. His own vice president when he was running against him later prez Bush senior labeled his economic plans as "Voodo economics"

The only good thing I can say about George Bush is he nominated Clarence Thomas, and fought to get him confirmed. Other than that, he was a clueless idiot, and still is. The only reason he got elected in the first place is that people thought he would be a continuation of Reagan's policies. Boy were we fooled!

[Diogenes]

Reagan was the right president for the time. He simply talked the Soviet Union into collapse
I have a lot of respect for him.

Reagan did more than talk. He attacked them economically and with espionage at every level. He convinced the Saudis to pump up the volume and hold down the price of oil just to help bankrupt the heavily oil dependent soviet union. He allowed them to steal plans and components for a gas pipeline control system that was designed to explode if built correctly. (It worked.)





Reagan convinced them that American technology could render their missile arsenal ineffective, and therefore put them at our mercy, because they could not match our technological superiority in Missile defense.

Reagan attacked them on every front. He gave stinger missiles to the Afghan Mujaheddin, so that they could bog the Soviets down in Afghanistan. He pulled a LOT of dirty tricks on the Soviets. Many of them are still classified, but some have been explained.

The Soviet Union didn't fall, it was pushed!

[Skipjack]

Reagan convinced them that American technology could render their missile arsenal ineffective, and therefore put them at our mercy, because they could not match our technological superiority in Missile defense.

Which is what I meant with talked them into collapse... It took a really good actor to talk about the SDI programme and keep a straight face...

Same with "convincing the Saudis".

To me all this is "talking".

[Diogenes]

And this clueless Sh*tburger once more makes a nuisance of himself.


Jimmy Carter Accuses Pres. Obama, U.S. of Widespread Abuse of Human Rights

Former U.S. president Jimmy Carter is accusing the current president Obama of sanctioning the “widespread abuse of human rights” by authorizing drone strikes to kill suspected terrorists.

http://atlantablackstar.com/2012/06/26/ ... an-rights/


Just go away Jimmy! It is your worrying about the mote in the Shah's eye that got us the Beam in the Ayatollah's eye! Carter always was Penny wise and pound foolish!

[williatw]

Reagan convinced them that American technology could render their missile arsenal ineffective, and therefore put them at our mercy, because they could not match our technological superiority in Missile defense.

Which is what I meant with talked them into collapse... It took a really good actor to talk about the SDI programme and keep a straight face...Same with "convincing the Saudis".

To me all this is "talking".

Well idiocy was Reagan's genius...yes he was an actor and he probably believed those laser powered space battle stations were possible. Gorbachev believed him (of course he also thought "Glasnost" was a good idea..your an empire made up of conquered states, why don't you ask them what they really think of you? "no really be honest with me tell me what you think of us".)

[Skipjack]

and he probably believed those laser powered space battle stations were possible.

I dont think he seriously believed that. I was not even a teenager back then and I thought it was ridiculous.