Single Payer? Are You Kidding?

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Re: Single Payer? Are You Kidding?

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Jccarlton wrote:They lied and they don't care:
http://investigations.nbcnews.com/_news ... -insurance
This is what you told your lawmakers to do.

I have no idea what you're complaining about: they sabotaged it just like you told them you wanted them to. Because Obama is black.
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I thought you knew.

You said "Let him die." On national TV. Did you think it didn't apply to you?
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Diogenes wrote:
“I spent two years defending Obamacare. I had constituents scream at me, spit at me and call me names that I can’t put in print. The congressman was not re-elected in 2010 mainly because of the anti-Obamacare anger. When the congressman was not re-elected, I also (along with the rest of our staff) lost my job. I was upset that because of the health care issue, I didn’t have a job anymore but still defended Obamacare because it would make health care available to everyone at, what I assumed, would be an affordable price. I have now learned that I was wrong. Very wrong.”

http://weaselzippers.us/2013/10/28/form ... ery-wrong/


What can I say to this? People who believed that dumbass are in their own special class of stupid.
Seems to me that if constituents are screaming at you, they're trying darn hard to get through to you and you're not listening to them. You've been not listening to them for so long, you can't even think about listening to them. They were trying to TELL you something important, and you wouldn't listen.

And now, maybe you're listening? Maybe it's starting to sink in that you've been scammed, that you were lied to - and that the constituents were somewhat right all along.

Well - time will tell on Obamacare.
When opinion and reality conflict - guess which one is going to win in the long run.

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Here's the problem: stupids are prone to hysteria, and it's a favorite tool of populists like the Republican-Amurcns and the teatraitors. So when people start screaming it's time to find out what they're scared of and reassure them if it's irrational. At least, if you're not a populist it is.
We need a directorate of science, and we need it to be voted on only by scientists. You don't get to vote on reality. Get over it. Elected officials that deny the findings of the Science Directorate are subject to immediate impeachment for incompetence.

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How many birthers on here?

Is there anyone here sufficiently racist to admit they're a burfer?
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JLawson wrote:
And now, maybe you're listening? Maybe it's starting to sink in that you've been scammed, that you were lied to - and that the constituents were somewhat right all along.

Well - time will tell on Obamacare.

People who supported Obama are basically various iterations of idiots. Some of them are Genius idiots. (Intellectuals who are too smart by half) Some of them are Talented idiots,(Actors and Entertainers) and some of them are just idiot idiots. (Talentless and ignorant morons like Scheisser.)
‘What all the wise men promised has not happened, and what all the damned fools said would happen has come to pass.’
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Diogenes wrote:People who supported Obama are basically various iterations of idiots.
Yeah, because you were fixin' to sabotage it, right?

Or is it because he's black?
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Diogenes wrote:
JLawson wrote:
And now, maybe you're listening? Maybe it's starting to sink in that you've been scammed, that you were lied to - and that the constituents were somewhat right all along.

Well - time will tell on Obamacare.

People who supported Obama are basically various iterations of idiots. Some of them are Genius idiots. (Intellectuals who are too smart by half) Some of them are Talented idiots,(Actors and Entertainers) and some of them are just idiot idiots. (Talentless and ignorant morons like Scheisser.)
I didn't vote for Obama, because from what was released of his record he didn't have any management or governing experience - and a lot of his 'experience' which was widely touted didn't seem relevant. (He taught college? Oh, yeah, that'll help running the country...) but I'll admit I sure was hoping he'd turn out better than he has.

Man's got charisma, that's for sure. Unfortunately, he lives for getting in front of his followers and basking in their adulation... which is maybe 1% of being President. And he's got no talent or interest in the rest of it.
When opinion and reality conflict - guess which one is going to win in the long run.

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Jccarlton wrote:They lied and they don't care:
http://investigations.nbcnews.com/_news ... -insurance
You beat me to that link.

With everything embarrassing coming out since the election, the regime could face a sudden collapse when its cronies decide defending king barrycade the petulant is a liability. The question is what kind of blackmail the regime has on the senate.
The daylight is uncomfortably bright for eyes so long in the dark.

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JLawson wrote:
Diogenes wrote:
JLawson wrote:
And now, maybe you're listening? Maybe it's starting to sink in that you've been scammed, that you were lied to - and that the constituents were somewhat right all along.

Well - time will tell on Obamacare.

People who supported Obama are basically various iterations of idiots. Some of them are Genius idiots. (Intellectuals who are too smart by half) Some of them are Talented idiots,(Actors and Entertainers) and some of them are just idiot idiots. (Talentless and ignorant morons like Scheisser.)
I didn't vote for Obama, because from what was released of his record he didn't have any management or governing experience - and a lot of his 'experience' which was widely touted didn't seem relevant. (He taught college? Oh, yeah, that'll help running the country...) but I'll admit I sure was hoping he'd turn out better than he has.

Man's got charisma, that's for sure. Unfortunately, he lives for getting in front of his followers and basking in their adulation... which is maybe 1% of being President. And he's got no talent or interest in the rest of it.
Except for the capturing bin Laden part and the getting out of Iraq part and the snookering Pakistan part and the shooting the Somalian pirates and rescuing the merchant sea Captain part and the reducing the deficit part and the stopping the economy from going into freefall part.

Gotcha.
We need a directorate of science, and we need it to be voted on only by scientists. You don't get to vote on reality. Get over it. Elected officials that deny the findings of the Science Directorate are subject to immediate impeachment for incompetence.

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Oh, it gets better...

http://www.mediaite.com/online/msnbc-co ... obamacare/
MSNBC contributor and Chicago Tribune columnist Clarence Page joined conservative radio host Hugh Hewitt on Monday and admitted that when President Obama said Americans would be able to keep their plans if they like them, he was fully aware he was lying and exaggerating about it.

Page told Hewitt that Obama knew “there was no guarantee everybody was going to keep their insurance because people couldn’t keep their insurance under the old system.”

Hewitt asked, “He knew he was lying?”

Page replied, “Probably, but that’s one of those political lies, you know.”

Page partly defended Obama by saying that “most people” will be able to keep their insurance policies and Obama was simply being “too grandiose.” Hewitt found it striking that this wouldn’t really bother Page that much, but Page maintained that Obama is mostly guilty of overselling a program.
Those political lies - they're just fine, you know... They're the 'good' kind of lie. You know the sort - where you can jump the deficit almost $400 billion in one day, but you're 'reducing the deficit'.
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And look here. The NHS is giving up.


NHS pulls the plug on its £11bn IT system

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A plan to create the world's largest single civilian computer system linking all parts of the National Health Service is to be abandoned by the Government after running up billions of pounds in bills. Ministers are expected to announce next month that they are scrapping a central part of the much-delayed and hugely controversial 10-year National Programme for IT.

Instead, local health trusts and hospitals will be allowed to develop or buy individual computer systems to suit their needs – with a much smaller central server capable of "interrogating" them to provide centralised information on patient care. News of the Government's plans comes as a damning report from a cross-party committee of MPs concludes that the £11.4bn programme had proved "beyond the capacity of the Department of Health to deliver".

http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style ... 30906.html


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JLawson wrote:Those political lies - they're just fine, you know... They're the 'good' kind of lie.
After the hash you made of ACA I'm surprised you have the balls to whine about it.
We need a directorate of science, and we need it to be voted on only by scientists. You don't get to vote on reality. Get over it. Elected officials that deny the findings of the Science Directorate are subject to immediate impeachment for incompetence.

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Diogenes wrote:And look here. The NHS is giving up.


NHS pulls the plug on its £11bn IT system

Image


A plan to create the world's largest single civilian computer system linking all parts of the National Health Service is to be abandoned by the Government after running up billions of pounds in bills. Ministers are expected to announce next month that they are scrapping a central part of the much-delayed and hugely controversial 10-year National Programme for IT.

Instead, local health trusts and hospitals will be allowed to develop or buy individual computer systems to suit their needs – with a much smaller central server capable of "interrogating" them to provide centralised information on patient care. News of the Government's plans comes as a damning report from a cross-party committee of MPs concludes that the £11.4bn programme had proved "beyond the capacity of the Department of Health to deliver".

http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style ... 30906.html


Sooner or later, you run out of other people's money.
Yeah... looks like they've hit the wall, and splattered.
When opinion and reality conflict - guess which one is going to win in the long run.

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