Skepicism Doesn't make you a denier or a crank.

[Schneibster]

You know, my life has had some wonderful opportunities to talk some of the top people on a lot of stuff. I've had the chance to listen and talk to rocket scientists about rocket, people who've actually been to the Titanic about what's there, Michou Kaku about FTL travel, the head of Princeton Plasma physics about Tokamaks and physicists about particle physics. I've found that these kind of people love what they do and like to talk about it. They are also, unlike the climate crowd, not so afraid of the consequences that they want hide what they did behind a shield of obfuscation. Rather the opposite, in fact, when you ask most people in science or technology for advise and help they just love to give even more than you ask for. At least that's been my experience.

Yep.

So, not exactly the sharpest knife in the drawer, are we?

You know, when you google somebody's handle and the first thing that comes up it that they "have gone off the deep end." and you look into and it's not a bunch of people who he calls "cranks", instead being people presumably who agreed with him and by all indications were cutting him a ton of slack, you have to think that there's something seriously wrong. When they enter every post and try to make their point in every argument by screaming and flinging monkee poo(go ahead, report me you little tattletale. I'm sure that Msimon and I can have a few laughs over it.) along with how everybody but himself is a "crank" or some other insult, well you have KNOW there is something SERIOUSLY WRONG with them.

Unfortunately it's no longer the top of the results. It's first of all kind of old and second of all one of the least moderated sites on the 'Net. One of the guys who was the worst has now graduated and can't get a job because of the economy; he recanted and apologized. And he was denigrating the exact ideas you support: dark matter, specifically.

Maybe you should go read that a little more carefully.

Meanwhile, you don't really know very much about physics, much less geophysics, do you? Like, not any math or anything. And you've never, for example, looked at the GISS code, which was available on-line until your buddies shut down the government, right?

All I see is another blow-hard like the ones on Ratz. And when the real data comes down all you got is chicken droppings.

And BTW, when I read someone's blog and find them talking about relativity- if it's real relativity then I respect them. That's one of the many things that makes me smarter than you. You can't tell if it's real relativity. You wouldn't know a relativity if it jumped up and bit you on the butt.

[Jccarlton]

So, not exactly the sharpest knife in the drawer, are we?[/quote]
You know, when you google somebody's handle and the first thing that comes up it that they "have gone off the deep end." and you look into and it's not a bunch of people who he calls "cranks", instead being people presumably who agreed with him and by all indications were cutting him a ton of slack, you have to think that there's something seriously wrong. When they enter every post and try to make their point in every argument by screaming and flinging monkee poo(go ahead, report me you little tattletale. I'm sure that Msimon and I can have a few laughs over it.) along with how everybody but himself is a "crank" or some other insult, well you have KNOW there is something SERIOUSLY WRONG with them.[/quote]Unfortunately it's no longer the top of the results. It's first of all kind of old and second of all one of the least moderated sites on the 'Net. One of the guys who was the worst has now graduated and can't get a job because of the economy; he recanted and apologized. And he was denigrating the exact ideas you support: dark matter, specifically.

Maybe you should go read that a little more carefully.

Meanwhile, you don't really know very much about physics, much less geophysics, do you? Like, not any math or anything. And you've never, for example, looked at the GISS code, which was available on-line until your buddies shut down the government, right?

All I see is another blow-hard like the ones on Ratz. And when the real data comes down all you got is chicken droppings.

And BTW, when I read someone's blog and find them talking about relativity- if it's real relativity then I respect them. That's one of the many things that makes me smarter than you. You can't tell if it's real relativity. You wouldn't know a relativity if it jumped up and bit you on the butt.[/quote]
I've pushed electrons to .99c. I know something about relativity. I've worked in a place where relativity was part of the lunch conversation. So maybe I I've BTDT.

[Schneibster]

Blah

You changed the subject.

You're lying again.

Global warming denial is still crank physics.

[Jccarlton]

I've pushed electrons to .99c. I know something about relativity. I've worked in a place where relativity was part of the lunch conversation. So maybe I I've BTDT.

You changed the subject.

You're lying again.

Global warming denial is still crank physics.

You know quote somebody, you really should put what they actually SAID in the quote block before you say that they are lying. Frankly you have no way of knowing if I am or not, but here's a clue:
http://photonics.com/Article.aspx?AID=22472
My toy.

[Schneibster]

I've pushed electrons to .99c. I know something about relativity. I've worked in a place where relativity was part of the lunch conversation. So maybe I I've BTDT.

Snicker. I've used electrons pushed to .99c to fix defects in photomasks.

And fixed the software that sent the electron beam machine to the right spot.

I've been places where tenth micron resolution using laser magnification was the lunch conversation. Speaking of bleeding edge physics.

Most of us felt like we'd worked on the Space Shuttle after fixing our equipment in the field, all over the world. Lasers, weather stations, blocks of granite with square feet flat to within a tenth of a wavelength of green light. I've walked on the production floors of the largest wafer fabs in the world. And looked down through the grid to a concrete floor two stories below, from which the extraction fans pulled the dust and other contaminants from the main production story. When you have to open the floor to fix a network cable problem underneath it gets very real very fast. You're a long way up.

I've been to China at a time when we weren't allowed to talk about electrons at .99c. And eaten grey cabbage and farted grey farts. And didn't get interrogated.

I have to admit that was a little hairy. You start to wonder after you've seen the woman urinating on the ground in the corner of the train station, standing around in your wool suit and formerly polished shoes, before they met the urine. I have to say, given the legal restrictions, we were honest and gave them everything they were entitled to get.

[Schneibster]

I've pushed electrons to .99c. I know something about relativity. I've worked in a place where relativity was part of the lunch conversation. So maybe I I've BTDT.

You changed the subject.

You're lying again.

Global warming denial is still crank physics.

You know quote somebody, you really should put what they actually SAID in the quote block before you say that they are lying. Frankly you have no way of knowing if I am or not, but here's a clue:
http://photonics.com/Article.aspx?AID=22472
My toy.

Maybe if you actually talked about the subject of the thread.

Duh ummm.

Here's the thing: Real skepticism isn't cranky. But real skepticism admits when it's wrong. This is the problem with climate change "skepticism;" it's politically based. It has nothing to do with the science of the atmosphere and ocean, and of the environment/Earth-system. It's simply resistance to change in the way technology provides energy because of investment in the prior means of production. Making energy from freely sucked seawater's deuterium, or sunlight and atmospheric carbon, will cause their coal and oil leases to become worthless. Both the corporations and countries/governments resist this.

But now there are six methods for using atmospheric carbon and solar energy for making all the carbon fuel we need. There's no need to be digging carbon out of the ground and increasing our danger; we can take it from the air and reduce the risk. What's not to like? Unless you have old fossil fuel stocks.

[GIThruster]

You know, when you google somebody's handle and the first thing that comes up it that they "have gone off the deep end." and you look into and it's not a bunch of people who he calls "cranks", instead being people presumably who agreed with him and by all indications were cutting him a ton of slack, you have to think that there's something seriously wrong. When they enter every post and try to make their point in every argument by screaming and flinging monkee poo(go ahead, report me you little tattletale. I'm sure that Msimon and I can have a few laughs over it.) along with how everybody but himself is a "crank" or some other insult, well you have KNOW there is something SERIOUSLY WRONG with them.

To me the scariest part is he has been doing this sick stuff for years. Look at the dates on the site where a whole thread was devoted to him going off the deep end. I think it was 2009?

4 years of crazy is good evidence he's crazy. Needs a shrink.

[Schneibster]

To me the scariest part is he has been doing this sick stuff for years. Look at the dates on the site where a whole thread was devoted to him going off the deep end. I think it was 2009?

4 years of crazy is good evidence he's crazy. Needs a shrink.

40 points for comparing those who argue against your ideas to Nazis, stormtroopers, or brownshirts.

or accusing those who argue against your ideas of having mental diseases.

What should really disturb you is that you don't seem to get reality. Eventually it's gonna bite you, you know.

Not only that but don't you have anything to say to defend yourself, instead of attacking me? Because I'm reporting the next attack.

[Jccarlton]

You know, when you google somebody's handle and the first thing that comes up it that they "have gone off the deep end." and you look into and it's not a bunch of people who he calls "cranks", instead being people presumably who agreed with him and by all indications were cutting him a ton of slack, you have to think that there's something seriously wrong. When they enter every post and try to make their point in every argument by screaming and flinging monkee poo(go ahead, report me you little tattletale. I'm sure that Msimon and I can have a few laughs over it.) along with how everybody but himself is a "crank" or some other insult, well you have KNOW there is something SERIOUSLY WRONG with them.

To me the scariest part is he has been doing this sick stuff for years. Look at the dates on the site where a whole thread was devoted to him going off the deep end. I think it was 2009?

4 years of crazy is good evidence he's crazy. Needs a shrink.

When you raise points on what he said, quoting people who are friendly activists on HIS side and he turns around and calls you a liar, it's time to put a fork in it, it's done. Frankly, I finally decided it was all pointless and figured out how to use the "foe" button. He's a waste of time and air. The funny thing is that all across the web, if he just behaved himself, maybe paid attention to other people and didn't just dismiss them as cranks, he would get all the attention he could want. As it is, everybody ends up dumping him as soon as they can. Pathetic.

[Schneibster]

Reported. This didn't start out being about me but it is now.

[Schneibster]

I've pushed electrons to .99c. I know something about relativity. I've worked in a place where relativity was part of the lunch conversation. So maybe I I've BTDT.

You changed the subject.

You're lying again.

Global warming denial is still crank physics.

You know quote somebody, you really should put what they actually SAID in the quote block before you say that they are lying.

Changing the subject is lying.

[Schneibster]

I'm willing to discuss the subject in the title.

Discussing other users is off-limits on most boards. For starters it's off-topic.

[Betruger]

Reported. This didn't start out being about me but it is now.

Then report this forum too.

[Schneibster]

Reported. This didn't start out being about me but it is now.

Then report this forum too.

No, I'll stick to reporting people for what they actually do, instead of making stuff up like you.

Skepticism doesn't make you a crank, but lying does.

[Betruger]

How is this forum not your personal soap box nowadays? Is that website of yours just a clever split personality act?