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Diogenes
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Betruger wrote:
From an American perspective, this is the guy who most closely resembles Hitler to have ever appeared in American Politics.
An utterly meaningless piece of hyperbolic comparison only fit for Bat Boy tabloids. And I loathe the guy - I'm one of those that makes waves with friends who also don't like the guy but insist he deserves special treatment as "the president".
From an American perspective, a people such as that subjected to the American Experiment will more likely than not devolve round the Tytler loop, consequently enabling increasingly corrupt and un-American government, inevitably making each latest politician "the worst yet" IE the closest to [insert absolute worst analog]. This is just same ol political smack talk, as informationally devious as insisting nuclear accident radiation levels are so many orders of magnitude over "legal safety norms".

I would be surprised if you have bothered to learn as much about this guy as I have. I think you are expressing an opinion not based on knowledge, but on the supposition that this is just the usual "smack talk." I see no benefit to "smack talk" at this point. The guy is already installed for another term, and no amount of running him down is going to vacate him from his seat of power.

I stand by what I said. This guy is the closest thing to Hitler this nation has ever seen. He is a near mythological figure who is worshiped as an idol by certain segments of the populace, and his policies of crony capitalism are as close to facism as you can get. Ideologically, by act, and by the deference of his Constituency, he more closely resembles the phenomenon of Hilter than any other American leader in History. He even uses similar propaganda.
(Though international communism used this slogan more so than did the National Socialists. )

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I would point out one difference between Hitler and Obama. Where Hitler only had one Leni Riefenstahl. Obama has thousands.
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Post by JoeP »

I still have no clue what BO's core beliefs are. I always have the impression he puts a facade on over his true self and intentions. Inscrutable. And if you look at how he was raised and the values of the people that were most important and influential to him, it is hard to understand how or why he could not still share most of those beliefs -- or what changed him -- if anything ever really has.

He is somewhat immune to any reasoned critique or inquiry since his defenders cry racism as the motivation at any opposition. Heck, they did that to Hillary and Bill during the '08 primary, but everyone forgets about that. But it was effective.

Sad state of affairs. Reasoned arguments and dialog matter naught.

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Post by Diogenes »

Here is another poster that resembles Obama's principles.


"Citizens, hand over your weapons!"
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Curiously enough, the artist, Alexander Apsit, who is rightfully considered the father of the Soviet political poster, later escaped the communist system for which he advocated with his prolific propagandistic imagery. Shortly after the civil war, he settled in his native Latvia, leaving behind the "workers' paradise" where many of his colleagues were being harassed, jailed, and murdered.

In yet another ironic twist, after Latvia's annexation by the Nazis in 1939, the father of the Soviet political poster moved to Germany and worked for the Nazis until his death in 1943, in the middle of his adopted country's war against the Soviet Union.

Read more: http://www.americanthinker.com/2013/01/ ... z2Hhk174EG
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Diogenes wrote:Here is another poster that resembles Obama's principles.
See.. Characterizing his policies (you do not know what he actually thinks, only surmise from apparent probabilities) as like some other policy is already a very different thing from asserting Obama = or even just == Hitler. The latter is plain nuts: where is the American Republic's hijack? Final Solution? etc. It's just crowd pleasing rhetoric, tickling people's hardwired instinct against attributes foreign to their tribe's, independent of e.g. their tribe being multiracial.

Obama is not arguably analogous Hitler because of at least one difference: the people are the true traitors to the Republic - for not keeping it. Obama is just a malignant lamer exploiting this climate of public ignorance and apathy, riding the bandwagon of strife both in political and public populations. Even if he is a believer. He's not a cataclysmically homicidal power-obsessed psychopath, just a one-eyed king of the blind.

There is no coming holocaust that can't be avoided by the mere minimum civic duty of the public: doing their homework and voting -- ideally in the same spirit that motivated the Fathers in the first place.
Hitler is to Obama as Orwellian is to Huxleyan.
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Betruger wrote:See.. Characterizing his policies (you do not know what he actually thinks, only surmise from apparent probabilities) as like some other policy is already a very different thing from asserting Obama = or even just == Hitler. The latter is plain nuts: where is the American Republic's hijack? Final Solution?
Just this last month, Obama and the Democrats have credibly threatened to take a few thousand in platinum, stamp $1,000,000,000,000 on it, and demand we act like it is in fact that larger amount of money.

We have been threatened with the blatantly unconstitutional act of a dictator, the pretension that he can by Executive Order, in any way alter our individual human rights as respected in the 2nd amendment.

His party hasn't permitted a budget to be passed in going towards 5 years now.

The Democrats seriously propose that the "validity of the public debt" clause, which was written in the context of the civil war to ensure that the USA's debts and not the CSA's got paid, permits them to issue new debt against the will of Congress, which per the constitution must authorize the acquisition and expenditure of money.

The heaps of bodies haven't appeared yet, but if this country continues on the democrat's path, they will.

But paying attention to the constitution is clearly too extreme and too hard for some people.
doing their homework and voting
Not like the precincts reporting %100 votes for Obama (no errors? not one in thousands? first time in history--Philly) or pro-Obama vote totals more than %120 percent of the voting population (Boston)? Sure, voting's all we need to do. :lol:
ideally in the same spirit that motivated the Fathers in the first place
The spirit which motivated the Founders was the spirit of violent resistance against tyranny, when reason and persuasion would not end it.

The Democrats are in Red here:

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Putting up with them is a matter of expedience, of prudence. There is no moral obligation to obey them or their diktats, or to tolerate the enforcement of them.
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Or this:

One set of laws for Democrats and their friends.

And the others laws for the rest of us.

Corzine walks free. Geithner cheated his taxes. And on and on.
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Betruger wrote:
Diogenes wrote:Here is another poster that resembles Obama's principles.
See.. Characterizing his policies (you do not know what he actually thinks, only surmise from apparent probabilities) as like some other policy is already a very different thing from asserting Obama = or even just == Hitler. The latter is plain nuts: where is the American Republic's hijack?
The question isn't whether he has replicated Hitler's accomplishments, it's whether or not he would do so if he could. This is the United States, a nation of a very different legacy and temperament than was Germany. What a Socialist minded individual might get away with in Germany, is far harder to do overtly in this Country.

Betruger wrote: Final Solution? etc.

Glad you asked me that. It lets me point out this.



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I asked, well, what's going to happen to those people that we can't re-educate; that are die-hard capitalists. And the reply was that they'd have to be eliminated. And when I pursued this further, they estimated that they would have to eliminate 25 million people in these re-education centers. And when I say eliminate, I mean kill. 25 million people.

I want you to imagine sitting in a room with 25 people, most of which have graduate degrees from Columbia and other well known educational centers, and hear them figuring out the logistics for the elimination of 25 million people.

And they were dead serious."

-- Larry Grathwohl, former member of the Weather Underground



Betruger wrote: It's just crowd pleasing rhetoric, tickling people's hardwired instinct against attributes foreign to their tribe's, independent of e.g. their tribe being multiracial.


Obama is not arguably analogous Hitler because of at least one difference: the people are the true traitors to the Republic - for not keeping it. Obama is just a malignant lamer exploiting this climate of public ignorance and apathy, riding the bandwagon of strife both in political and public populations. Even if he is a believer. He's not a cataclysmically homicidal power-obsessed psychopath, just a one-eyed king of the blind.

You and I see a very different image of him. I indeed see a power-obsessed psychopath, but one who is limited by what he can get away with in this far more suspicious of would be tyrants, country. Even so, his instincts and efforts are always trying to get around the checks and balances which are placed on the powers of the Presidency. Carter was a naive fool. Clinton was just an immoral bastard opportunist. Obama wants to be a King, and he wants to punish his enemies and reward his friends. Crony Capitalism (Fascism) has thrived under his administration. We have never seen anything like the sort of kickbacks and bribes and payoffs which this man has brought to our government.



Betruger wrote: There is no coming holocaust that can't be avoided by the mere minimum civic duty of the public: doing their homework and voting -- ideally in the same spirit that motivated the Fathers in the first place.
Hitler is to Obama as Orwellian is to Huxleyan.

I think there *IS* a coming Holocaust. An economic one. The socialists will make every effort to see that it falls on those who are their enemies as much as they possibly can. The Soviets did it in the Ukraine, and I have little doubt our Socialists will try it here when the time comes.
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TDPerk wrote: The Democrats are in Red here:

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The Democrats have always been "red'. It is just another example of Liberal Democrats in the Media propaganda machine saddling Republicans with the color Red, because during the 1992 election, to label Bill Clinton with the color red just made what he was all too obvious. (Going to Russia during the Vietnam war? Protesting American while in London? Meeting with known soviet agents during his tour of Europe while in college?)

Liberal Democrat New Yorkers decided that the Color of Republicans needed to be red, and they did it on purpose as a form of misdirection. Red has always been the color of the socialist side of the political spectrum. They couldn't afford to let Clinton be seen for what he was. It worked so well, they've kept the misdirection in every election since.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_colour
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Diogenes wrote:Liberal Democrat New Yorkers decided that the Color of Republicans needed to be red, and they did it on purpose as a form of misdirection. Red has always been the color of the socialist side of the political spectrum. They couldn't afford to let Clinton be seen for what he was. It worked so well, they've kept the misdirection in every election since.
True. I distinctly remember Republican states shown in blue during Reagan's campaigns.

Red has for decades also been the "adversary" color in US war games and exercises, with blue for the good guys. I hope the military is not subliminally affected by this media mind-warp attempt if (when?) a coup becomes necessary.

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Whole Foods CEO says Obama healthcare law is 'more like fascism'


John Mackey made the remark in an interview Wednesday with NPR.

"Technically speaking, it's more like fascism," Mackey said of the Affordable Care Act. "Socialism is where the government owns the means of production. In fascism, the government doesn't own the means of production, but they do control it, and that's what's happening with our healthcare programs and these reforms."



Read more: http://thehill.com/blogs/healthwatch/he ... z2IAbcXXZ0
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One of the greatest things gun prohibitionists have going for themselves is the violence induced by drug prohibition.

And yet - by and large the drug prohibition people and the pro gun people have a lot of overlap in their venn diagram. Go figure.

I guess they didn't notice the gun restrictions alcohol prohibition induced.

History does not appear to be their strong point. Despite all their braying to the contrary. Go figure.
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Get the "Second Coming" reference? It's a reference to Jesus. Obama is just as good, doncha know? More evidence of a creepy cult of personality.

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Yeah, the media never fawned over Hitler like this.
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Diogenes wrote:Whole Foods CEO says Obama healthcare law is 'more like fascism'


John Mackey made the remark in an interview Wednesday with NPR.

"Technically speaking, it's more like fascism," Mackey said of the Affordable Care Act. "Socialism is where the government owns the means of production. In fascism, the government doesn't own the means of production, but they do control it, and that's what's happening with our healthcare programs and these reforms."
Read more: http://thehill.com/blogs/healthwatch/he ... z2IAbcXXZ0
But laws without Constitutional authority are a favorite of the right. And now we have some one on the right complaining when the laws are now after him?

Musta forgotten history. Pastor Niemoller ring a bell?

Or this?

William Roper: So, now you give the Devil the benefit of law!
Sir Thomas More: Yes! What would you do? Cut a great road through the law to get after the Devil?
William Roper: Yes, I'd cut down every law in England to do that!
Sir Thomas More: Oh? And when the last law was down, and the Devil turned 'round on you, where would you hide, Roper, the laws all being flat? This country is planted thick with laws, from coast to coast, Man's laws, not God's! And if you cut them down, and you're just the man to do it, do you really think you could stand upright in the winds that would blow then? Yes, I'd give the Devil benefit of law, for my own safety's sake!

When you cut the laws down to go after your enemies there is nothing to protect you when your enemies use the same tools to come after you.

I have been warning about this for ages. To no avail. Perhaps actual experience will change your mind. Or not.

The right has joined in with the left in cutting down Constitutional protections. And now we have no law except the law of power - who can command a majority in the legislature. Well it is not the right. (Seen the Katrina bill?) Too bad.

I can and will live with a country dominated by the left. Can you?
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MSimon wrote:
I can and will live with a country dominated by the left. Can you?


One of us has a serious misunderstanding about what that means. I'm betting on mass bloodshed.

I'm curious. What is it that YOU think is going to happen in a country dominated by the left?
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What do I expect from continued domination by the (anti)american left?
War, famine, pestilence, and you know the 4th member of this quartet.

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