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Diogenes
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Re: The Progressive Legacy

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DeltaV wrote:
MSimon wrote:For people who can do technical work - yes. They are always in short supply.
That's only true when US employers restrict their search to US citizens. Which they stopped doing decades ago. The lowest bidder always wins.

The notion that you owe some sort of duty or allegiance to your own countrymen is a moral notion. People have been eschewing that morality stuff for a long time, and this is a predictable consequences of it.
‘What all the wise men promised has not happened, and what all the damned fools said would happen has come to pass.’
— Lord Melbourne —

Diogenes
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hanelyp wrote:Going to get much worse if the communist and thief occupier of the whitehouse gets his way: http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/spe ... 91133.html

At several websites which I frequent, the consensus seems to be "let it burn."


The biggest problem with voters and public policy is that there often elapses too much time between the election of people who are pushing a public policy and the consequences of that policy. By the time the misery hits, the simpleminded have no inkling that it was the stupid policies which they voted for that caused it.


The current system is unsustainable, and something is going to break. People just need to look to themselves as best they can before this happens.
‘What all the wise men promised has not happened, and what all the damned fools said would happen has come to pass.’
— Lord Melbourne —

DeltaV
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Re: The Progressive Legacy

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TDPerk wrote:
DeltaV wrote:You get what you pay for (sheesh, I'm starting to sound like a unionista).
My only experience with unions is that you can't get what you pay for out of them, and that every last one of them is a violent crook or ready to sponge off the fact unions harbor violent crooks.

I look for the union label, when I find it, I don't buy it.

Right to work should go nationwide.
I agree with you here wholeheartedly. I did not mean to suggest that highly compensated union members produce better work, only that they use lines like that to imply non-union work is shoddier. It's actually far worse than what you stated, but I can't go into details for security reasons (personal and national).

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Post by hanelyp »

Diogenes wrote:At several websites which I frequent, the consensus seems to be "let it burn."
It's looking like the best we can hope for at this point is the House preventing the Senate and White House from pouring gasoline on the fire. The tax law changes scheduled to go into effect will be bad. I see no deal on the table which doesn't make the situation worse. If the line can be held on spending and the debt limit, damage can to some degree be limited and directed at the parasites.

If only that line were held 2 years ago.

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The Longshoremen current drama is a prime example.
The average worker makes $50/hour and also has full benefits for vacation, medical, bonuses, etc, etc. They also get a regular monthly(?) kickers for containers/cargo moved by tonnage and counts.

You want to talk about corrupted purpose. And I am not even referring to the actual corruption and organized crime involvement.

If you can't do the math it means that your average dock worker and cargo terminal employee is making $100,000 per year in base wages. Not bad for a crony based system that has higher than its fair share of high school crop outs, etc.
The development of atomic power, though it could confer unimaginable blessings on mankind, is something that is dreaded by the owners of coal mines and oil wells. (Hazlitt)
What I want to do is to look up C. . . . I call him the Forgotten Man. (Sumner)

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Post by Diogenes »

hanelyp wrote:
Diogenes wrote:At several websites which I frequent, the consensus seems to be "let it burn."
It's looking like the best we can hope for at this point is the House preventing the Senate and White House from pouring gasoline on the fire. The tax law changes scheduled to go into effect will be bad. I see no deal on the table which doesn't make the situation worse. If the line can be held on spending and the debt limit, damage can to some degree be limited and directed at the parasites.

If only that line were held 2 years ago.


The Ship has been seized by Pirates. It's time to burn it down. Taxes need to go up, the economy needs to crash, and the cities need to burn.


Flames

Smokey the Bear heads
into the autumn woods
with a red can of gasoline
and a box of wooden matches.

His ranger's hat is cocked
at a disturbing angle.

His brown fur gleams
under the high sun
as his paws, the size
of catcher's mitts,
crackle into the distance.

He is sick of dispensing
warnings to the careless,
the half-wit camper,
the dumbbell hiker.

He is going to show them
how a professional does it.
Billy Collins
‘What all the wise men promised has not happened, and what all the damned fools said would happen has come to pass.’
— Lord Melbourne —

ladajo
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Post by ladajo »

Could be that most folks are willing to let it burn (I am), because it is a sure fire way to cut off the parasites.
The development of atomic power, though it could confer unimaginable blessings on mankind, is something that is dreaded by the owners of coal mines and oil wells. (Hazlitt)
What I want to do is to look up C. . . . I call him the Forgotten Man. (Sumner)

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Post by choff »

Don't feed the bankers.
CHoff

DeltaV
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Post by DeltaV »

It's notable that this collapse scenario appears unavoidable in 2013, the 100th anniversary of the "Federal" Reserve Act, enacted December 23, 1913.

December 23. Another 'holiday miracle' slipped past a distracted public by dark forces.

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