Cherokee Elizabeth Warren = Kenyan Barack Obama.

[Skipjack]

Yes, the Republicans have some bastards in their ranks too. Got it. We are trying to kick them out as quickly as we can. We already got Lugar, now we are going to try to make a civilian out of Hatch.

You would have to kick out like 80 to 90% of them (they all voted for the NDAA and CISPA). Probably easier to simply make a new party...
Would be happy to see Hatch go. Also include, Wolf, Hutchinson and Shelby...

I do kinda like Andrew Gasser and Dana Rohrabacher, btw. At least they are really against wasteful government spending, when they say they are...

[williatw]

Nice to have honest Liberal (and "conservative")

Exactly...
If you look at the recent political decisions that were of real importance, then you will see that both republicans and democrats were in on them equally. To me Ron Paul stood out really positively in all this and made some real points with me, when he objected these developments.

Yeah I was so hoping Ron Paul would do better in the primaries. Of course if Obama wins a 2nd term and the Republicans take the Senate and retain the house, that could be interesting. The Republicans would then be forced to deliver on their promised position to the tea party of reducing spending. If they delivered a balanced budget to Obama's desk I would guess he would sign it. If on the other hand Romney wins the spending will continue, his budget suggestions(won't touch medicare/SS, tax cuts, increased Defense spending) will continue along the Obama deficit explosion. And Kantor and the republicans wouldn't say much about it go along with it just like they did with Bush. There is a reason Americans like divided govenrment, people who hate each others guts can sometimes get more done than so called political friends.

[Skipjack]

Yes, we are all very interested in what an Austrian and a Brit has to say about how America should ignore it's Article II eligibility Law. Funny, it was precisely you guys we were fighting when we created it. (I count Hessians as close enough to Austrians.)

There is no better example of why it was important to keep Foreigners out of the Executive branch of Government than this current Un-American Anchor baby currently in the White House.

Yeah, you know seeing that most americans immigrated within the past 200 years or so, I think it is a bit difficult to see the real purpose of this law.
Besides, my point was a different one. It was that looking at it from an outsiders perspective it seems like such an unimportant issue to use. It is purely emotional and not rational in nature.
All the while the really big issues are completely ignored (mainly because the republicans were equally to blame for them). So all this seems a bit like a means of fingerpointing to hide your own issues kind of campaign.
I think my wife, like many will vote 3rd party this year for these very rasons.

And Kantor and the republicans wouldn't say much about go along with it just like they did with Bush. There is a reason Americans like divided govenrment, people who hate each others guts can sometimes get more done than so called politcal friends.

Unfortunately this leads to an incredibly static system that keeps increasing its own weight. Wouldnt it be better if there was a third, independent party, a real opposition party that has enough seats in congress to give the two others a hard time? Keep them honest and point out where they mess up! Right now it seems that they are pretty much the same on the real issues anyway (NDAA was equally voted for by Dems and Reps). A third party, if it had enough seats could block a law like this from passing and would probably get more votes at the next election. I know that a lot of people are really angry with the two big parties right now and for these reasons these elections will be interesting.
Though I think that the next senate and house elections will be even more so. I hope to see a lot of senators loose their position. I think Montana tried to empeach theirs for that.
I dont know how Diogenes, who seems to be soooooo into defending the constitution, thinks about the NDAA which was in clear violation of the bill of rights.

[williatw]

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And Kantor and the republicans wouldn't say much about go along with it just like they did with Bush. There is a reason Americans like divided govenrment, people who hate each others guts can sometimes get more done than so caUnflled politcal friends.

Unfortunately this leads to an incredibly static system that keeps increasing its own weight. Wouldnt it be better if there was a third, independent party, a real opposition party that has enough seats in congress to give the two others a hard time? Keep them honest and point out where they mess up! Right now it seems that they are pretty much the same on the real issues anyway (NDAA was equally voted for by Dems and Reps). A third party, if it had enough seats could block a law like this from passing and would probably get more votes at the next election. I know that a lot of people are really angry with the two big parties right now and for these reasons these elections will be interesting.
Though I think that the next senate and house elections will be even more so. I hope to see a lot of senators loose their position. I think Montana tried to empeach theirs for that.
I dont know how Diogenes, who seems to be soooooo into defending the constitution, thinks about the NDAA which was in clear violation of the bill of rights.

Don't know how that would work, a third party may(or may not increase gridlock) Thought about voting for the Libertarian candidate Gary Johnson, his positions seem pretty much like Ron Pauls. Still Kantor and the republicans hate Obama enough to send a balance budget to him thinking he would veto it, and Obama hates them enough that he just might sign it. Last time we had balanced budgets in fact four years of surpluses was under Clinton and the Republicans.

[Betruger]

Skip & Will: Politics are just band aid on cultural problems. The solution is at the root of the problem, not its symptoms.

[Skipjack]

Don't know how that would work, a third party may(or may not increase gridlock)

Well, how much gridlock is there really? From an outside perspective both reps and dems have pretty much done the same politics over and over again since Reagan. As I said, look at the recent votes on things like the NDAA and CISPA where the real constitution violations are. Oddly enough these real issues are not really made a topic at all. It is worth noting that like most republicans and democrat representants in the senate the and the house Obama passed the NDAA. McCain wrote it. Among the few people objecting it was Ron Paul. Thanks to the manipulation by the media such as Fox News, this important topic was completely swiped under the rugg. Instead the whole birther thing is produced as the big constitutional issue. Its the sort of crap that you expect from a soap opera.

[Ivy Matt]

Wouldnt it be better if there was a third, independent party, a real opposition party that has enough seats in congress to give the two others a hard time? Keep them honest and point out where they mess up! Right now it seems that they are pretty much the same on the real issues anyway (NDAA was equally voted for by Dems and Reps). A third party, if it had enough seats could block a law like this from passing and would probably get more votes at the next election. I know that a lot of people are really angry with the two big parties right now and for these reasons these elections will be interesting.

If past U.S. history is any guide, the U.S. will have a viable "third" party when one of the current big two parties collapses.

[seedload]

...Nobody gives a crap about accusations of Racism anymore. It was the Racists that elected Barack Obama...

Funny. Did you laugh yourself when you put those two sentences together like that?

[Diogenes]

...Nobody gives a crap about accusations of Racism anymore. It was the Racists that elected Barack Obama...

Funny. Did you laugh yourself when you put those two sentences together like that?

What do you find funny about electing an unqualified person based on the color of their skin? If Obama had been white, and possessed the exact same job experience, people would have laughed him off the stage. If you look beyond skin color, Barack Obama is just as ridiculous as John Kerry, or John Edwards, or Joe Biden, or Gary Hart, or pretty much any other Democrat. (Their party is nothing but a collection of ridiculous characters.)

Racism is judging people differently because of race. Obama was always a bad choice because of his political views and his inexperience. Being black did not transform him into a good choice. He was and remains, a testament to misplaced good intentions.

[Diogenes]

Wouldnt it be better if there was a third, independent party, a real opposition party that has enough seats in congress to give the two others a hard time? Keep them honest and point out where they mess up! Right now it seems that they are pretty much the same on the real issues anyway (NDAA was equally voted for by Dems and Reps). A third party, if it had enough seats could block a law like this from passing and would probably get more votes at the next election. I know that a lot of people are really angry with the two big parties right now and for these reasons these elections will be interesting.

If past U.S. history is any guide, the U.S. will have a viable "third" party when one of the current big two parties collapses.

This is wishful thinking. Any strength to create a third party would be better spent getting a 51% majority control over an existing party. If you have the numbers to create a viable third party, you easily have the numbers to take over an existing party.

It's easier to conquer a nation than it is to build one from scratch.

[Diogenes]

...Nobody gives a crap about accusations of Racism anymore. It was the Racists that elected Barack Obama...

Funny. Did you laugh yourself when you put those two sentences together like that?

As a follow up, here is a comment I saw today regarding Obama's qualifications to lead the United States.

New Jersey Governor Chris Christie:

“He is the most ill-prepared person to assume the presidency in my lifetime,” Christie told some 600 Kentucky Republicans at a Lexington hotel. “This is a guy who literally is walking around in a dark room trying to find the light switch of leadership.”

[djolds1]

If past U.S. history is any guide, the U.S. will have a viable "third" party when one of the current big two parties collapses.

This is wishful thinking. Any strength to create a third party would be better spent getting a 51% majority control over an existing party. If you have the numbers to create a viable third party, you easily have the numbers to take over an existing party.

It's easier to conquer a nation than it is to build one from scratch.

The Pro-Slavery faction thought the same when the American Whig Party imploded in 1856. Pro-Slavery won its greatest victory (the Dred Scott Decision) in 1857. Eight years after 1856, Pro-Slavery was extinct.

I don't see any mass violence in the current day - there are no remaining centers of competing martial legitimacy vs the American Federal government. But the smashing victory of a semi-new faction is possible. The US was essentially a 1.5 Party country 1933-1994, with the terminal decline of the 1.5 Party model starting ~1975.

[williatw]

If past U.S. history is any guide, the U.S. will have a viable "third" party when one of the current big two parties collapses.

This is wishful thinking. Any strength to create a third party would be better spent getting a 51% majority control over an existing party. If you have the numbers to create a viable third party, you easily have the numbers to take over an existing party.

It's easier to conquer a nation than it is to build one from scratch.

The Pro-Slavery faction thought the same when the American Whig Party imploded in 1856. Pro-Slavery won its greatest victory (the Dred Scott Decision) in 1857. Eight years after 1856, Pro-Slavery was extinct.

I don't see any mass violence in the current day - there are no remaining centers of competing martial legitimacy vs the American Federal government. But the smashing victory of a semi-new faction is possible. The US was essentially a 1.5 Party country 1933-1994, with the terminal decline of the 1.5 Party model starting ~1975.

Still given the penchant for one or the other party to head off a serious third party contender by poaching their best/most popular ideas, would guess that was more likely than a new party replacing the Dems or Rep. Could see Libertarian ideas like ending the war on drugs being eventually co-oped by one or both parties as the idea increasingly gains traction. Look how Bill Clinton when he was running for Pres basically poached Ross Perot's ideas about the need to do something about the then very high deficit.

[hanelyp]

Look how Bill Clinton when he was running for Pres basically poached Ross Perot's ideas about the need to do something about the then very high deficit.

The republicans in congress pushed the issue. Clinton, having been hit by a cluebat of of his party losing congress, and not regaining it after the budget smear the following year, had the sense not to fight the issue too hard.

[williatw]

Look how Bill Clinton when he was running for Pres basically poached Ross Perot's ideas about the need to do something about the then very high deficit.

The republicans in congress pushed the issue. Clinton, having been hit by a cluebat of of his party losing congress, and not regaining it after the budget smear the following year, had the sense not to fight the issue too hard.

Perhaps your recollection is better than mine. I remember it being more Ross Perot's thing...the charts etc he put up. Neither Dem or Rep saying much about it until then. After Perot dropped out they both suddenly discovered their inner budget cutter and behaved as if they intended to do something about it all the time. Thought the Dems losing congress was more about anger about NAFTA,(which Clinton supported, Gore casting the tie breaking vote passing it), the angry voters voting out the Dems in the next election.