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seedload
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Post by seedload »

M,

Have you converted from advocating for the legalization of drugs to advocating for drug use?

Look, all the smart kids are doing it!

Sheesh
Stick the thing in a tub of water! Sheesh!

ladajo
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Post by ladajo »

He just wants to be able to grow his pot in peace on the window ledge in his kitchen without fear of a police fast rope helicopter assault on his home with vertical kinetic breaching techniques.

The rest is gravy. I think he is following the strategy of ask for it all, and then settle for much less, which is what you really wanted in the first place.

Sometimes you can tell when he has been smoking his weed by how he writes his posts. :)

D Tibbets
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Post by D Tibbets »

My two cents worth...

Drugs are substances which effect a person (or are thought to effect them).
One man's drug is another' medicine. Nicotine is a very addictive drug, yet many people function better while using it (once they are addicted). Heroin users can be productive if they get their fix (such as in some European countries). Caffeine is another drug with use and abuse. Many psychoactive medicines are legitimately and beneficially used for various psychiatric or neurological diagnoses; including depression, bipolar, schizophrenia, narcolepsy, obsession, panic disorder, PTSD, etc. Alcohol is of course one of the most destructive drugs in existence. Yet it is mostly legal, and it even has a few medical uses (not just for withdraw treatment). The legal issues come from the actions under its' influence, not the drug use directly.
Personally, I think Marijuana is one of the less abusable of drugs. It actually has beneficial effects such as for glaucoma, and I suspect it may be a better anti emetic and appetite stimulate than a number of medicines that have much worse side effects., and marginal if any greater benefit.

In the 1950's, amphetamines were legitimately widely used medicines, and is still dispensed like candy for ADHD. But, it is also now considered a highly dangerous drug (especially the related speed like drugs).

Even opium and it's morphine related derivatives are tremendously beneficial for pain management, etc. The real arguments are societal, and moral.

Any substance can be abused to dangerous and destructive levels- even water. There is no well defined moral or factual basis for many situations. Some situations are obvious - like date rape drugs, but even most of them were diverted from useful purposes.

Whether drug/ medicine/ food abuse is treated as something which should be ignored, treated, or punished is a subjective decision. Michael Jackson was not killed by a drug, but by the inappropriate use of that drug. Where do you define the limits. Is it on the drug, or on how it is used, on why it is used?

And certainly the trend in US drug enforcement and the costs associated with it, and the corruption that resulted from it have proven to be extremely expensive both from a dollar and lives destroyed perspective.

What is the answer? A mountain of books, papers, laws, and arguments have not settled the issue.

Dan Tibbets
To error is human... and I'm very human.

choff
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Post by choff »

ladajo wrote:He just wants to be able to grow his pot in peace on the window ledge in his kitchen without fear of a police fast rope helicopter assault on his home with vertical kinetic breaching techniques.

The rest is gravy. I think he is following the strategy of ask for it all, and then settle for much less, which is what you really wanted in the first place.

Sometimes you can tell when he has been smoking his weed by how he writes his posts. :)
A lot of people do just that in my town. Up to six potted pot plants personal use and the cops won't give it a second look. Unfortuneately if the grow rippers see them its a different story, very bad dudes.

If we legalized it up here without the states doing it first, the drug gangs would operate with near to legal impunity while conducting cross border smuggling. That would really be like the 20's.
CHoff

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