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Diogenes
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Hello! What have we here?



Shock Claim: Obama Only Wants Military Leaders Who ‘Will Fire on U.S. Citizens’




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On Monday, renowned author and humanitarian Dr. Jim Garrow made a shocking claim about what we can expect to see in Obama’s second term.

Garrow made the following Facebook post:

I have just been informed by a former senior military leader that Obama is using a new “litmus test” in determining who will stay and who must go in his military leaders. Get ready to explode folks. “The new litmus test of leadership in the military is if they will fire on US citizens or not.” Those who will not are being removed.


http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2013/01 ... -citizens/
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hanelyp
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Post by hanelyp »

Parallels a hypothesis that Benghazi was a test of which leading military leadership would sit on their hands and accept an order to let American personal get slaughtered.

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hanelyp wrote:Parallels a hypothesis that Benghazi was a test of which leading military leadership would sit on their hands and accept an order to let American personal get slaughtered.

Apparently a CBS investigative report has just blown up twitter with a massive number of questions on Benghazi.

http://twitchy.com/2013/01/22/boom-cbs- ... gn=twitter

Who woulda thunk that someone who works for the Democrat Media complex might actually do their job? I guess now that they have safely worked to get him re-elected, they feel less pressure about covering up all his screw-ups, and are starting to smell interesting stories to further their career.



In any case, I hope the rumor cited above (Military officers firing on American citizens) turns out to be false.
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Post by paperburn1 »

I have heard the same story when Clinton took office. I have yet to meet anyone that had first hand experience with this question. I was an always someone said situation. No one I know from the puzzle palace has been asked to my knowledge. but maybe I am just too far outside anymore.

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Post by hanelyp »

It would be no end of stupid to openly advance a policy of military leadership willing to kill citizens. But consistent with the character I've come to expect from the occupier of the white house. Normal people don't casually talk about killing millions of people to facilitate fundamental change. If the rumors are true, no surprise that the talk is whispers in dark corners.

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Post by ladajo »

Well, actually the oath of office has always included, "enemies foreign and domestic".

The fuzzy part is really the who gets to determine who the enemy is.

Another point is that the oath is to the constitution. So if you are given un-constitutional orders, they can be considered unlawful. For example, ordering the military to arbitrarily police private homes and confiscate weapons is a violation of the 2nd Amendment. The resulting drama would almost certainly end up in the Supreme Court. Whereas if the military was ordered to confront some anti-government paranoid armed militia group that is causing trouble and take their weapons, that would not be an issue really.

In fact, the Founding Fathers themselves ordered out the military on a number of occasions to put down "Domestic Enemies".
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ladajo wrote:Well, actually the oath of office has always included, "enemies foreign and domestic".

The fuzzy part is really the who gets to determine who the enemy is.

Another point is that the oath is to the constitution. So if you are given un-constitutional orders, they can be considered unlawful. For example, ordering the military to arbitrarily police private homes and confiscate weapons is a violation of the 2nd Amendment. The resulting drama would almost certainly end up in the Supreme Court. Whereas if the military was ordered to confront some anti-government paranoid armed militia group that is causing trouble and take their weapons, that would not be an issue really.

http://www.dojgov.net/posse_comitatus_act.htm



ladajo wrote:

In fact, the Founding Fathers themselves ordered out the military on a number of occasions to put down "Domestic Enemies".

The "Whiskey Rebellion" comes to mind.
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A Video detailing some of the creepy cult worship of Obama.

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http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2013/01 ... ent-954679



When before has an American leader been worship with a Hitler like devotion?
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Post by ladajo »

Posse Comitatus is easily bypassed, and this occurs routinely.

As long as there is an Executive Directive, Law, or even better, a request for support by State Authority and a Law.

The purpose of the act was not to prevent military domestic use, it was to define the terms. A common misconception.
except in such cases and under such circumstances as such employment of said force may be expressly authorized by the Constitution or by act of Congress;
Read "enemies foriegn and domestic"
does not include or permit direct participation by a member of the Army, Navy, Air Force, or Marine Corps in a search, seizure, arrest, or other similar activity unless participation in such activity by such member is otherwise authorized by law.
Read, "We Congress, Want to be in Charge"

However, this is excepted under general Executive Action for "National Emergencies" and specifically for Insurrection.

And the balance of power argument rolls on...
The development of atomic power, though it could confer unimaginable blessings on mankind, is something that is dreaded by the owners of coal mines and oil wells. (Hazlitt)
What I want to do is to look up C. . . . I call him the Forgotten Man. (Sumner)

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