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[Betruger]

And it's NSF that's pompous.

You just want to run my life. You are worse than any idle doper could ever be. You are a control freak. Those kind of guys tend to be much worse for civilization than any doper could ever be.

But, but... it's all in the name of "courage".

[MSimon]

And it's NSF that's pompous.

You just want to run my life. You are worse than any idle doper could ever be. You are a control freak. Those kind of guys tend to be much worse for civilization than any doper could ever be.

But, but... it's all in the name of "courage".

That is a use of the term (courage) I'm not familiar with.

Could you explain it further?

[MSimon]

I will take you at your word. However, I will caveat that to say that I think you may have inferred heavily in the past that you did. Certainly your manic cyclic behaviour at times has indicated some sort of drug use. Maybe that is because you smoke Camel Unfiltered or something.

Either way, no matter.

I have been manic/depressive for a very long time. Fortunately for me the manic phase is operative about 95% of the time. I get a LOT of work done in those phases. Then depression sets in for a few days (the chase is more exciting than the catching). And then I decide - the hell with that and start a new chase.

GIT keeps calling me a doper and I do not correct him every time. Some times I even humor him "Well if I'm a doper and they have no ambish how did I become an aerospace engineer without benefit of official schooling?" Or some such.

The doper engineers I knew had lots of ambish.

Louis Armstrong didn't seem to lack ambish. Here is a song he did about weed. Called muggles way back when. Thus the name of the tune.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qY6Yo6lE-Jg

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I also liked what Hunter Thompson said on the subject.

“I wouldn't recommend sex, drugs or insanity for everyone, but they've always worked for me.”

Live and let live.

He once said he liked my writing in an e-mail he sent me. He may have been sarcastic or not. I was quite a fan of his. Still am.

I'm a firm believer in letting people live their lives as they see fit. Minimal government. Because control is an unquenchable addiction. Control freaks can never get enough. We have seen that progression with drug prohibition. First mild penalties. Mostly on the order of two years or so. Then when that didn't work the penalties were made harsher. Until Gingrich proposed the Death Penalty for 2 oz of pot. Now we are pealing away all that. I'd like to see us back at the 1937 stage. Some states do. Some don't. The Feds stayed out of it.

My attitude is more Zen like. What ever comes up I will deal with it. Much simpler than trying to control everything and everyone.

You own yourself. Do what you want with that ownership. Make the best you can of it. If you want to. What ever you do I promise not to bother you if you don't bother me.

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I mean seriously - we fought the fascists during WW2 so we could be forced to pee in a bottle to get a job. And the pee had to pass a chemical assay? Really?

My attitude was shaped by those WW2 propaganda movies so prevalent on TV in the 50s. I wanted to live in a free country. Not one dominated by control freaks. Like those nasty Germans (my apologies to Skipjack).

Funny huh? I believe in the American ideals portrayed in those movies. The worse for me, eh?

You can get a good taste of the general attitude by watching the Germans in Casablanca.

[Stubby]

Pisser isn't it? I don't do drugs and the drug war put me out of a job.

Make up whatever excuses you like, but the fact is you quit school and real engineers have engineering degrees. You don't because you decided it was more important to do drugs than go to school.

How very judgmentally obnoxious of you.

My father in law does not have a degree in Engineering and yet was highly involved in CCD design and manufacturing for precision space mounted, earth pointing cameras. He often had to hand deliver dies to the US. He worked for Raytheon and Bell Labs engineering departments.

Lots of people do good even fantastic engineering without being 'real engineers'. There are lots of 'real engineers' who couldn't design/build their way out of a paper bag.

I think it is about time you guys (you know who you are) drop the 'holy' and sanctimonious preconception that all drug users are worthless shits and that they should be vilified.

Maybe if Hitler used drugs in his teenage years instead of developing weird ideas about races... Look what drugs did for Steve Jobs a college drop out. And don't forget Steve Wozniak, another college drop out who single-handedly designed and built the first Apple computers in his parents garage.

[GIThruster]

Pisser isn't it? I don't do drugs and the drug war put me out of a job.

Make up whatever excuses you like, but the fact is you quit school and real engineers have engineering degrees. You don't because you decided it was more important to do drugs than go to school.

How very judgmentally obnoxious of you.

You're pretty confused so allow I note to you the actual situation. Simon is pushing his pro-drug agenda and has been for years. He posts in every thread he can find an excuse to, sometimes to annoy those who started the thread and sometimes simply to get in everyone's face he can about his opinion. In his posts he writes that he is a victim of the drug war, that he's an accomplished engineer who worked for an aerospace firm and lost his job because he can't pass a piss test. However, the facts he has related previously are quite different. These include that he was never an employee of an aerospace engineering firm. He was a subcontractor hired in a temporary position. He says he never applied for a permanent job because that entailed a drug test which he was not willing to take. He goes on to pretend he set policy at that firm despite he was not an employee. And of course there is the fact he does not work but rather lives off public assistance. He's currently lying about this but his statements in the past, back before anyone called him on this, were that he is a daily dope user, that he is 12 years without work, that he lives off public assistance and hasn't even looked for work in more than a decade. He says that he is entitled to this support because he paid into the system.

Fact is, if Simon weren't busy doing the drugs, he would have finished school, he would have had a decent job, he would not be posting in order to spread his disease and we would not all have the issue forcibly thrust in our faces every time we come to this forum.

It's time you woke up and stopped treating the villains as victims. Simon is on a campaign to push his views down the throats of others any way he can because that's the only way he can justify his miserable existence. Making him out to be the victim demonstrates you're not paying attention.

[Diogenes]

Pisser isn't it? I don't do drugs and the drug war put me out of a job.

Make up whatever excuses you like, but the fact is you quit school and real engineers have engineering degrees. You don't because you decided it was more important to do drugs than go to school.

How very judgmentally obnoxious of you.

My father in law does not have a degree in Engineering and yet was highly involved in CCD design and manufacturing for precision space mounted, earth pointing cameras. He often had to hand deliver dies to the US. He worked for Raytheon and Bell Labs engineering departments.

Lots of people do good even fantastic engineering without being 'real engineers'. There are lots of 'real engineers' who couldn't design/build their way out of a paper bag.

I think it is about time you guys (you know who you are) drop the 'holy' and sanctimonious preconception that all drug users are worthless shits and that they should be vilified.

Everyone that I have met who used crack was pretty much a worthless shit. Most of those I have met who use Marijuana are also worthless shits. (Not all, but most.) As I mentioned, one of the people whom I knew, and who was a crack user ended up getting shot a little over a week ago.

I think neither you nor Simon has any experience with crack or meth users.

Maybe if Hitler used drugs in his teenage years instead of developing weird ideas about races...

You are a source of never ending ignorance\amusement. Hitler DID use drugs. Meth, to be exact. There is a body of thought that argues his insane behavior was in a large part due to the effects of his Meth Addiction.

While we're on the topic, Most of the Nazi leadership were Homosexuals or Sexual perverts of various other stripes.

Look what drugs did for Steve Jobs a college drop out. And don't forget Steve Wozniak, another college drop out who single-handedly designed and built the first Apple computers in his parents garage.

Jobs was more the marketing guy, Wozniak was the inventor. Wozniak claims he never used any illegal drugs.

Apparently Jobs controlled his usage. Some people manage it, most do not.

[Stubby]

You and D are quite the pair. As soon as someone contradicts or opposes you, BAM comes the hammer of insults, innuendos and/or condescension.

I am not confused. I have lurked a long time on these forums. I am well aware of Mike's posts.
Sometimes they are ... weird but mostly they make sense.

Prohibiton SUCKS. So does the war on drugs. It makes the wrong people very rich. It is an enormous waste of lives, time and money. It is a war that can NEVER be won. It is turning your country in to a police state.

[Diogenes]

You and D are quite the pair. As soon as someone contradicts or opposes you, BAM comes the hammer of insults, innuendos and/or condescension.

Reason doesn't work on you.

I am not confused. I have lurked a long time on these forums. I am well aware of Mike's posts.
Sometimes they are ... weird but mostly they make sense.

Prohibiton SUCKS. So does the war on drugs. It makes the wrong people very rich. It is an enormous waste of lives, time and money. It is a war that can NEVER be won. It is turning your country in to a police state.

Not that you will be able to understand this, but refusing to fight a war on drugs leads to a police state faster.

[Betruger]

And it's NSF that's pompous.

You just want to run my life. You are worse than any idle doper could ever be. You are a control freak. Those kind of guys tend to be much worse for civilization than any doper could ever be.

But, but... it's all in the name of "courage".

That is a use of the term (courage) I'm not familiar with.

Could you explain it further?

c.f. GIT's sig

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