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The Models Will Need To Be Revised

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http://wattsupwiththat.com/2011/08/24/b ... te-change/
Long-anticipated results of the CLOUD experiment at CERN in Geneva appear in tomorrow’s issue of the journal Nature (25 August). The Director General of CERN stirred controversy last month, by saying that the CLOUD team’s report should be politically correct about climate change (see my 17 July post below). The implication was that they should on no account endorse the Danish heresy – Henrik Svensmark’s hypothesis that most of the global warming of the 20th Century can be explained by the reduction in cosmic rays due to livelier solar activity, resulting in less low cloud cover and warmer surface temperatures.

Willy-nilly the results speak for themselves, and it’s no wonder the Director General was fretful.

Jasper Kirkby of CERN and his 62 co-authors, from 17 institutes in Europe and the USA, announce big effects of pions from an accelerator, which simulate the cosmic rays and ionize the air in the experimental chamber. The pions strongly promote the formation of clusters of sulphuric acid and water molecules – aerosols of the kind that may grow into cloud condensation nuclei on which cloud droplets form. What’s more, there’s a very important clarification of the chemistry involved.
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Re: The Models Will Need To Be Revised

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MSimon wrote: http://wattsupwiththat.com/2011/08/24/b ... te-change/
Long-anticipated results of the CLOUD experiment at CERN in Geneva appear in tomorrow’s issue of the journal Nature (25 August). The Director General of CERN stirred controversy last month, by saying that the CLOUD team’s report should be politically correct about climate change (see my 17 July post below). The implication was that they should on no account endorse the Danish heresy – Henrik Svensmark’s hypothesis that most of the global warming of the 20th Century can be explained by the reduction in cosmic rays due to livelier solar activity, resulting in less low cloud cover and warmer surface temperatures.

Willy-nilly the results speak for themselves, and it’s no wonder the Director General was fretful.

Jasper Kirkby of CERN and his 62 co-authors, from 17 institutes in Europe and the USA, announce big effects of pions from an accelerator, which simulate the cosmic rays and ionize the air in the experimental chamber. The pions strongly promote the formation of clusters of sulphuric acid and water molecules – aerosols of the kind that may grow into cloud condensation nuclei on which cloud droplets form. What’s more, there’s a very important clarification of the chemistry involved.
Svensmark's theories and his reconstruction of historic solar variance are very interesting and should be taken very seriously. The fact that this study supports his theories is further evidence that there is something more to be looked at here.

Not a smoking gun, but surely significantly more proof that the science is NOT settled.

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The science is SETTLED. It was settled by Al Gore! He got a Nobel Prize - you think those things come out of cereal boxes or something?

Al Gore Said It, I Believe It, That Settles It.

/Sarc, as if you couldn't tell.

I've been thinking all along that our efforts to establish a trend line for warming or cooling is about like a mayfly trying to establish what the weather is going to be the next day (after it's dead) by what's happened in the last five seconds. There's a whole lot of variables, some of which (like the Cern experiment shows) are either unrealized or poorly understood, and a whole lot of history ignored.

(And as far as the Nobel Prize coming out of a cereal box - well, let's just say they've seriously devalued the brand with Gore's and Obama's, okay?)
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JLawson wrote:(And as far as the Nobel Prize coming out of a cereal box - well, let's just say they've seriously devalued the brand with Gore's and Obama's, okay?)
Ehehe, nice one.

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