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The top 5% paid 55%. Under your scheme that would give them a majority...
They already do buy the laws they want. Votes or no votes.

Your best hope is smaller government. You propose that the ills caused by a government that is too big can be cured by making government bigger. Which is perfectly logical.
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MSimon wrote:You propose that the ills caused by a government that is too big can be cured by making government bigger.
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alexjrgreen wrote:
MSimon wrote:You propose that the ills caused by a government that is too big can be cured by making government bigger.
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I was not paying attention. I thought I was responding to Joe.
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JoeOh wrote:
Jccarlton wrote:
JoeOh wrote:Diogenes, sure I'll tell ya how I'm getting along. Right now for the past 9 months I've been filling out applications just to find ANY job with no success. I did get a couple of "interviews" but nothing came from them.

I am right now house sitting for some friends who are out of the country on family business. They are taking care of the bills. I would help but I can't find a job. I've tried fast food joints, gas stations, and even temp services whom I update my info every 6 months to stay in their rolls so I can be reached when they do have something for me.

And as far as fair-load vote tax representation is just bunk. In that case those with the most "load" will control everyone else. Sounds like feudalistic hogwashery to me.
This is going to sound weird, but the minimum wage may be just why you can't find a job:
http://economics.gmu.edu/wew/articles/fee/Mar%2007.pdf
Frankly if I were a business owner I would risk the possibility of getting a slap on the wrist and hire Mexicans over the current crop of American teenagers. They are more honest and work harder. Minimum wage increases just price teenagers out of the market.
No, I can't find a job b/c the previous administration and his buddies sent countless jobs overseas and now even college grads are having to fight over the "Mcjobs" with the teenagers you obviously despise.

Also, are you advocating hiring illegal immigrants to save the boss money???? I hope not, that would be against the law and anti-american.
Welcome to the real world. Actually instead of hiring illegals I would just transplant my factory someplace else. That's what happens when you keep raising taxes and the minimum wage. Another victim of static analysis.
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Jccarlton, it's not about taxes. The corporations have teams of lawyers to find ways for the company not to pay most or any taxes.

So if the reason I cant get a job is taxes, it's wages. If the company can go to a place like Mexico to pay less to workers they will. Bush just made it easier for them to do so.

Msimon, you are obviously an extremist libertarian and no amount of "reasoning" will change your mind. You are set on youself and maybe your family, if you have one. I'm sure as soon as your kids turn 18 they are out the door. Isn't that the "rugged individualist" way??
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In looking at the acts of the Obama adminstration one might want to keep the term "going Galt" in mind:
http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=Zm ... NiM2ZmZDc=
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Something to think about:
http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/10/ ... ncrea.html
small_business_owners_sound_off
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/200 ... e_the.html
http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/11/ ... trike.html

http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/12/ ... _lump.html
http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/09/ ... nd_of.html
http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=ZD ... k3NWU2OGI=
http://www.cnbc.com/id/29434104
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142 ... 56696.html

I could find more, but it's just getting to depressing. Oh well at least I am not looking for a job right now.
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MSimon wrote:
Taxes are either voted in or defeated at the polls by the people.
So if there is a vote it is not theft?

If I can get the votes to murder you it is not murder?

And yeah. I like my Lunch Naked.

In the US slavery was voted on. I guess that it was then perfectly all right. As long as we had a vote.

Don't get me wrong. I think taxation has its place. But it is extorted at the point of a gun.

Mao was correct: Political power comes from the barrel of a gun.

Our George Washington expressed it in a more genteel manner:

"Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master." Geo. Washington
I almost missed this post, glad I didn't.

When people voted for slavery it turned out to be a single group of people who did that. White people.

When you allow every legal citizen to vote you reduce the risk of allowing such atrocities to occur. Our system isn't perfect but we can do our best as a collective whole to make it as good as possible.

Also, that getting the votes to "murder" me line here's my response. If 51% of the nation wants to kill me, it must be for a good reason. ;) I mean what did I do to have put on the ballot to kill my ass??

But seriously, murder is illegal and the constitution that you hold so dear protects my right to life as a citizen so their cant be a "murder ballot".

Nice try-
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More slanted propaganda......Yah!!!
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At least Conservatives don't indulge in this kind of idiocy

http://www.eastbayexpress.com/ebx/berke ... id=1536705
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Well here's more:
http://www.forbes.com/2009/12/08/barack ... obama.html
http://www.bnd.com/business/story/1067837.html
http://boss.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/12/0 ... ob-speech/

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142 ... 88520.html
http://www.city-journal.org/2009/19_4_n ... esses.html

Things are really looking up for hopie changie:
the-infamous-obama-unemployment-graph-part-6-funemployment-is-off-the-charts

Where we might be going:
http://cafehayek.com/2009/12/how-to-rui ... y-101.html
Thing are getting really ugly:
http://blog.heritage.org/2009/03/24/bus ... -pictures/

Even Obama thinks what he is doing is stupid:
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSN188108620091118

And then there is the progressive paradise known as Detroit.
Crowder_Discovers_No_Town_in_Motown
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When you think about the evils of Commercialism, just think of the alternative:
http://www.davidhlynsky.com/WindowShopMain.html
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Joe,

A vote on theft does not make it not theft.

Just to make it simple.

The capital to support the job you want was taxed away. The government stole the capital for the job you want. And more government is your answer?

The yacht builders thrown out of work due to government taxes is a prime and clear example.

But in truth you are getting the results of what you believe in. You could call it economic justice.

The bane of capitalism is economic inequality. The bane of socialism is universal poverty (excepting the commissars).

Taxation IS theft. And the theft was from you. What? You thought only the rich would pay?

Let me give it to you straight. Marx was a capitalist. He said that if capital was desired capitalism was the best way to generate it.

I know I'm wasting time trying to convince you. Your faith is unshakable. But there are others who may be moved.
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Business groups, including NAM and the U.S. Chamber of Commerce also oppose congressional efforts to cap carbon emissions because it would raise the price of energy and could force some jobs overseas.
http://www.bnd.com/business/story/1067837.html

The Democrat jobs plan will be good for you Joe. It is a plan to create jobs. In China. Where there are no plans to cap CO2 emissions.
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Joe,

My advice to you is to get a government job. As long as there is money to steal you will do fine.

Until:

"The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money" Margret Thatcher
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