Whats happening in Turkey

[Skipjack]

If you think I support Erdogan, you couldn't be more wrong. My issue is your earlier statements where you come across with a blanket condemnation of muslims and specifically Turkish muslims, and even more sepcifically, those that live in Austria and Germany.

A lot of them are a problem, yes. I have lived there almost all my life and I have seen and been exposed to these people more than I want. You have not lived there for any long time, how can you dare to judge? Besides, I mostly quoted my friends, not state my own opinion, but your reading comprehension lacks.

On a side note, it was Europe that invented slavery and the destruction of native people in a desired real estate zone. I could list you centuries of examples, but it would be moot. In fact, the most damage done to the american indian population was actually at the hands of european settlers. What was done later by "americans" (who were really europeans) is another thing all together. Learn some history.

LOL, yeah, because we have had black slaves in Europe... Besides almost everyone in the US is a descendent from those Europeans. Maybe you should learn some history.

I am happy to hear that your "friend" went and did his military service. It is a bit surprising that he didn't buy his way out as most ex-pat turks try to do. I am sure at a minimum he paid his money to do the reduced service of a month or so.

Ahh, now we are going after my friend. You cant get over those ad hominems, cant you? Always the same with you!

As for Mustafah Kemal, or "Ataturk" (which is literal for Father of Turks)

I know what I means. I have been to Turkey quite a few times over the past 30 years. Enough to pick up some Turkish and to learn to appreciate the people there. My father also was a personal friend of the Mamut Bey of Antalia some 45 years ago. I like calling him Ataturk, because I honor his legacy (what is left of it now )

yes, Erdogan is seeking to minimize or remove his legacy. It stands in the way of him becoming the new Ottoman Emperor.

Yes, he is also doing that because he wants to destroy secularism in Turkey one of the many great but probably the most important achievement of Kemal Pasha.

At one point he even banned the pubilc display of the Turikish flag by citizens to this end.
That is why I doubt you cited article. They were running around with Turkish flags. But I would not think that you would know that. You are a non-impartial biased Austrian/German. As for the "250", that was the words of your author. It was not 250 cars. It was "250 motorists". You think I can't read?

No it means literally "drivers". Either way it implies 250 cars. Regarding the flags, you are projecting your wishful thinking here and that makes you discard anything that does not fit your twisted worldview even if this article is not the only one about this and even if there have been other eye witnesses to this and even if this was not the only incident that occurred but just one of many (and one that I happened to find an article about).

Erdgogan is not nearly as powerful as you give him credit for. He will not last. The flailing you see of late is that of a man running out of options, but still trying to win the race. He is now alienating his own party, AKP. Watch and learn grasshopper. These local elections were not a party election. So saying AKP won is disingenuous and uninformed. The real reason AKP has held on is that they have been able to keep CHP and the others fragmented enough to prevent vote blockage. That is starting to unravel as the many promises made by AKP for free stuff to the rural areas remain unanswered, while AKP corruption accusations and evidence continue to pile up.

I wished I had your optimism. My friend here thinks that Turkey might see more protests, especially if Erdogan wins the next election. Turkey is a powder keg right now.

Your real issue in Austria and Germany comes not from Turkish heritage immigrants (who were asked to move there by the countries), but from the Turkish Kurd asylum seekers. I met them in Italy, and saw them in England and Germany, France, etc. They are the ones who use the system for free stuff. And they are good at it.
My wife used to work for the Carabinieri in Italy doing interviews of these clowns when they got picked up as illegal immigrants. I know about this first hand, I sat in on occasion.

Oh come on! You go visit a place a couple of times and now you think you know everything there is to know about it and that you can dismiss the opinion of someone who has lived there his whole life (and even other Turks). I cant believe we are even having this argument. You are so dismissive and have absolutely no basis for your dismissal other than some personal opinion that is without base.

[ladajo]

LOL, yeah, because we have had black slaves in Europe... Besides almost everyone in the US is a descendent from those Europeans. Maybe you should learn some history.

Yes, you did. You really should learn the history of slavery because right now you look like an uninformed ass.
It has been around for thousands of years. It became a western world commercially viable construct with the advent of european seizures of Africa and residents thereof. A tradgedy that dwarfes the resultant slavery in the americas (which was generated by said europeans). Nobody in Europe today wants to take responsibility for what has happened (and continues as direct and legacy) to Africa at their hands.

In regard to your Turkish friends "military service", it was an observation and query, not an attack. Did he buy down his service? How long did he spend on his "duty"?

No it means literally "drivers". Either way it implies 250 cars.

That is what you say. I say it implies 250 people with cars, which may or may not be 250 cars. The word drivers can include all in a vehicle and you know it.

You have also not answered my previous questions about Turkish immigration and emmigration trends regarding Germany and Austria.
You really should take a look at the numbers. But to admit them publically would probably hang your false arguments around your neck.
The bottom line here is that Germany wanted workers after the war, and purposefully invited immigration to support this need. Then, some time ago, as the need diminished, tightened and reduced ability to do so. Effectively today there is none, and in fact there is an exodus as immigrant heritage families find German xenophobia pressuring them to leave. All these bright minds raised as Germans, graduating from German Universities and saying, "frick it, these people are assholes and I am out of here" and moving elsewhere, including the US. You act like there is still some huge immigration influx going on that is frick over german and austrian workers. What utter bullshit. You are a bigot and will not admit it. Enjoy your master race. Go back to Austria, you will miss the 4th Riech if you don't. Your purist silliness does not belong in my country.

A lot of them are a problem, yes. I have lived there almost all my life and I have seen and been exposed to these people more than I want

THIS IS BIGOTRY YOU MORON. What makes you so special you can dismiss dealing with entire cultures and genetics you don't like? Good thing you are not Jewish, you would have had to turn yourself in a get gassed and burnt off in an oven.

I have been to Turkey quite a few times over the past 30 years

I am sure that you are way more familiar with Turkey than I am. It shows especially in your ability to tell the difference between a Turk and a Kurd. You assume because they can speak Turkish and came from Turkey that they are Turkish. I wonder if the Jews felt that way when your and your kin were marching them into the ovens. "I came from Germany and I speak German, why am I not German? Why am I going into this oven?" At least get your biggotry right. Unless you are a blanket hater.

Turkey is a powder keg right now

Yes, my point exactly. Thanks for helping again.

You go visit a place a couple of times and now you think you know everything there is to know about it and that you can dismiss the opinion of someone who has lived there his whole life

You are so dismissive and have absolutely no basis for your dismissal other than some personal opinion that is without base.

This is funny. You claim the same of the US and have many times offered your "insight" and "explanations" of how and why the US is so frick up. So much so that you moved here. You can't have it both ways. You also actually have no idea where I have been and for how long, nor what my experience base in international affairs is.

And for the record, I was not born in the US. I was not raised here until later in life. While my loyalty is American, my life and heritage is solidly European. And to further my position, my wife is full-up Turkish and did not come to the US until she married me. I have every right to judge you and your kind. The sad part is that you refuse to even admit who you really are to yourself. You live in denial.

[Skipjack]

ladajo, I have noticed before that you are coming over as someone who seems to love every single opportunity to attack Europeans and especially Germans and Austrians. I think you are a Germanophobe. Anyway, this conversation is over. I have enough of you!

[ladajo]

Now that is really funny.

Too bad when you are pressed to face your own reality and actual facts, you cave in and walk away.

Too bad about those immigration statistics huh?
Too bad about all your amerihate comments in the past that you don't wan't to admit.

Pot, meet Kettle. And maybe I just went after your goat a bit because of all those past statements you have made. Well, that, and maybe because my wife is Turkish.

Sucks being a victim doesn't it?

Cheers.

[Skipjack]

Now that is really funny.

Too bad when you are pressed to face your own reality and actual facts, you cave in and walk away.

Too bad about those immigration statistics huh?
Too bad about all your amerihate comments in the past that you don't wan't to admit.

Pot, meet Kettle. And maybe I just went after your goat a bit because of all those past statements you have made. Well, that, and maybe because my wife is Turkish.

Sucks being a victim doesn't it?

Cheers.

Every sentence in this post is wrong. And that is the last thing I will say.

[ladajo]

Right. I believe you.

Still don't want to talk about your imigration fallacies do you?