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Re: How Cancer Cells Work

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From: Marijuana: Less Dangerous Than Aspirin

And note that the cannabis deaths are noted as being "highly questionable".

BTW the chart is about press reports vs actual deaths. Alcohol is way under reported. Marijuana way over reported (and the reports are probably mistaken). So if you get your information from the popular press your view of reality is skewed. You KNOW that in other contexts.
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Re: How Cancer Cells Work

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But getting back to the original topic.

Cannabis as a non-toxic cure for cancer. Even allowing that it might conceivably have some toxicity. Compare it with chemo or radiation. Even if I grant your premise pot is a vast improvement - it works on "incurable" and inoperable cancers.

Ya know if the GOP keeps hanging on to prohibition I see a 1932 in its future. Sadly, it looks to me like the die is cast.

Even if legalization is a bad idea for recreational use its use as medicine is supported by 70% to 80% of the population. That is a heck of a hill to charge. Uphill all the way in fact.
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Re: How Cancer Cells Work

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First you throw on the table again that nonsense about how being high makes you a safe driver. (Disproven numerous times). Which is mostly based on two false leaps.
Leap 1) If you are high on Pot, you won't be drinking. Thus you can't have an alcohol related traffic accident, therefore we are all safer from drunk drivers! Yeah! <Pops champagne> But we will ignore the driving dopers who have similar vehicle control issues as drunks.
Leap 2) Driving while high on Pot means you are mellow and less angry, thus road rage traffic accidents will be reduced! Yeah! <Pops champagne>. And here we will ignore the reductions in judegment and potentials for driving dopers to suffer paranoid delusions or pyschiatric breaks.

And, then you go on to say:
If you use pot as medicine and put yourself in a situation where you need unclouded judgement you did not get killed by the medicine. You got killed by stupidity.
To amplify, with additional data we can add from multiple studies but will cite from the posted more recent ones:
Cannabis use is associated with impairments in memory and cognition. Heavy cannabis users have deficits in the encoding, storage, and retrieval of memory.80 A recent animal model found that cannabis impairs working memory by activating astroglial cannaboid receptors in the hip- pocampus.81 These findings correlate well with the association between heavy marijuana use and bilateral volume reduction of structures involved in memory like the amygdala and hippocampus.82 Marijuana users often perform poorly on tests of executive function, information processing, and visuospatial perception.83

The use of cannabis is more modestly associated with depression and suicide in epidemiologic data. Frequent cannabis use is significantly associated with depressive disorders in bothanimal models and epidemiologic studies.84 Hyperactivity of the endocannabinoid system is associated with impulsivity and suicidality, which is borne out in epidemiologic studies where a significant association is observed between marijuana use and suicidal ideation and attempt.85
So from the above, we can infer tht dopers are not only impaired, but can also be suicidal. Nice combination for a six thousand pound missile operator.

Furthermore we see that use is well proven to significantly increase the risk for onset of mental instability:
73–75 Epidemiologic data associate heavy adolescent use of marijuana with both an earlier onset of schizophrenia and a 2-fold increased risk of developing schizophrenia.76 To be clear, the use of cannabis in adolescence does not cause schizophrenia but increases the risk of its onset, suggesting interplay between marijuana use and genetic predisposition for schizophrenia.77 For people who develop schizophrenia, ongoing use of marijuana is associated with more severe psychosis and impaired performance on tests of attention and impulsivity.78, 79 Marijuana is a psychoactive substance whose psychiatric complications are known to increase with early onset and regular use.
So here we see that dopers who may have a predisposition for mental instability, are at a 2 times risk to develop it with pot, and that creates the likelyhood of imparied attention and impulsivity, which as we know is EXACTLY what you want of someone operating a six thousand pound high velocity people and property crusher. Of course just for fun we can recognize that while being high on pot, folks are prone to paranoid delusions and loss of self control. Again a benefit for driving.

So, all that said, and you still want to claim that putting someone that is high on pot behind the wheel of a six thousand pound potential weapons system is a good idea. In your own words (again):
put yourself in a situation where you need unclouded judgement you did not get killed by the medicine. You got killed by stupidity.

You are advocating to let stupidity reign on the roads. You are completely ignoring the risk you are imposing on others by doing so. That is selfish and I don't think your maker likes it.

Are you that far gone in your delusions, web of untruths and misrepresentations driven by your internal anger at "the man" and "the system" that you believe spurned you and are responsible for your life failure?
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Re: How Cancer Cells Work

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:D Quoting that pot is a cure from the great age of quack medicine. I can not even believe you would consider that a source. Next lets quote amazing magazine as our source for fusion power instruction and follow the examples put forth for aircraft construction of the 1890s :lol:
Get real on that one. If you got sick would you go to a doctor where your first mate works or would you go down the road to where the Amish practice and seek their advice. Wait, sorry, even the Amish partake in modern medics than the old ways.
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