Yeah, if we could get an EMC2 press release that would be great, an official confirmation.JoeStrout wrote:I've been told that the new work will be done in New Mexico. But that was, let's see, third-hand or so... hopefully somebody will issue an official press release (or at least a more detailed note) soon.MSimon wrote:My understanding is that the Dr. has already got his office/work space. No info on where.
Navy Funds Dr. B
My sources tell me that one will be forthcoming soon.TallDave wrote:Yeah, if we could get an EMC2 press release that would be great, an official confirmation.JoeStrout wrote:I've been told that the new work will be done in New Mexico. But that was, let's see, third-hand or so... hopefully somebody will issue an official press release (or at least a more detailed note) soon.MSimon wrote:My understanding is that the Dr. has already got his office/work space. No info on where.
When is soon? Soon.
I'm curious as to what prompted the Navy to take another look at Polywell.
Since they had the money, were they going to reopen the project anyway, and just had to wait till they had a form signed?
Was it a phone call from a Senator/Rep?
Did Dr Bussard's comments about selling the tech to a foreign power strike a nerve somewhere?
Since they had the money, were they going to reopen the project anyway, and just had to wait till they had a form signed?
Was it a phone call from a Senator/Rep?
Did Dr Bussard's comments about selling the tech to a foreign power strike a nerve somewhere?
@JohnP
The Navy didn't necessarily 'have' the money. Since the line item which contained EMC2's project, among others, had been zeroed out there *was* no money. Those who zeroed the advanced energy research line item likely were trying to find money anywhere they could for some shorter-term needs. Even still, whatever money was gained probably had to be 'reprogrammed', that is turned into a different 'color' of money for its new purpose, which in itself was laborious in a bureaucratic sense.
The Navy (or USAF, USA, etc.) doesn't have a great deal of discretion on how it spends money. Most funds are pre-assigned for different purposes by Congress before they ever get to the services. Re-programming when it can't be avoided is usually a long, painful and political process--political in the sense of required Congressional permission as well as intra-Navy competing requirements. You can think of it as moving money between different accounts except that it is very, very far from being that simple in the Federal Gov't. There is little flexibility by law.
By extending the contract, the Navy program office managing the EMC2 contract was able to keep the vehicle alive so that if and when money did become available they'd be able to fund it. This is the surest sign that Bussard had champions in the Navy for this project. If they had simply let the contract expire, the long process for a new contract would have made funding anytime soon, if ever, unlikely.
So, is it possible that some congressman/aide made some inquiries that loosened up some funds because of the publicity? Maybe. But what's clear is that the Navy was already taking it seriously enough to try to keep it alive.
Unfortunately, worthy research projects of this type with small political constituencies (i.e. no big campaign donors bribing some congressmen to champion them in order to feed at the trough of gov't largesse) are killed all the time. Paradoxically, the fact that the amount of money is peanuts makes it more vulnerable, not less. Sounds cynical but it is unfortunately true.
We are not out of the woods by any means. Creating a serious and vociferous constituency will help. Better yet, create a PAC with congressional bribe money.
The Navy didn't necessarily 'have' the money. Since the line item which contained EMC2's project, among others, had been zeroed out there *was* no money. Those who zeroed the advanced energy research line item likely were trying to find money anywhere they could for some shorter-term needs. Even still, whatever money was gained probably had to be 'reprogrammed', that is turned into a different 'color' of money for its new purpose, which in itself was laborious in a bureaucratic sense.
The Navy (or USAF, USA, etc.) doesn't have a great deal of discretion on how it spends money. Most funds are pre-assigned for different purposes by Congress before they ever get to the services. Re-programming when it can't be avoided is usually a long, painful and political process--political in the sense of required Congressional permission as well as intra-Navy competing requirements. You can think of it as moving money between different accounts except that it is very, very far from being that simple in the Federal Gov't. There is little flexibility by law.
By extending the contract, the Navy program office managing the EMC2 contract was able to keep the vehicle alive so that if and when money did become available they'd be able to fund it. This is the surest sign that Bussard had champions in the Navy for this project. If they had simply let the contract expire, the long process for a new contract would have made funding anytime soon, if ever, unlikely.
So, is it possible that some congressman/aide made some inquiries that loosened up some funds because of the publicity? Maybe. But what's clear is that the Navy was already taking it seriously enough to try to keep it alive.
Unfortunately, worthy research projects of this type with small political constituencies (i.e. no big campaign donors bribing some congressmen to champion them in order to feed at the trough of gov't largesse) are killed all the time. Paradoxically, the fact that the amount of money is peanuts makes it more vulnerable, not less. Sounds cynical but it is unfortunately true.
We are not out of the woods by any means. Creating a serious and vociferous constituency will help. Better yet, create a PAC with congressional bribe money.
The money could have come from the Swampworks:
http://powerandcontrol.blogspot.com/200 ... works.html
http://powerandcontrol.blogspot.com/200 ... works.html
Fusion is a Navy wet dream.
They could put these on FFs - which are logistically constrained due to fuel rqmts.
The fact that the Navy will have $200 mn if WB-7 works out is a sign of how serious they are. In addition battle damage to engineering spaces will be less severe with fusion. Much less radiation to deal with.
They could put these on FFs - which are logistically constrained due to fuel rqmts.
The fact that the Navy will have $200 mn if WB-7 works out is a sign of how serious they are. In addition battle damage to engineering spaces will be less severe with fusion. Much less radiation to deal with.
An FF is a frigate. Larger than a destroyer (not a lot) and smaller than a cruiser.tonybarry wrote:Hello MSimon,
Sorry but I didn't understand your last post. What is an "FFs"? And what is "battle damage to engineering spaces"?
Regards,
Tony Barry (who spent just two years in the Army cadets about thirty five years ago and doesn't remember much ...)
[edited grammar]
Battle damage to engineering spaces = hit the reactor.
The Great Convincer
So, given that *hopefully* Dr. Bussard has gotten his funding, is there anything to be gained from the design of the great convincer? I know MSimon has put in quite a bit of effort into the preliminary design, and I don't know if any of that will translate into something usable.
Just curious.
--G
Just curious.
--G
Re: The Great Convincer
If the Navy is satisfied with Dr. B's plan I am too.elkaim wrote:So, given that *hopefully* Dr. Bussard has gotten his funding, is there anything to be gained from the design of the great convincer? I know MSimon has put in quite a bit of effort into the preliminary design, and I don't know if any of that will translate into something usable.
Just curious.
--G
I think making a continuous operation test reactor would have its uses. However, the Navy is pretty good at estimating and allowing for technical risk.
The Great Convincer was based on the need to raise non-government funds.
It is good to have it out there. I enjoyed doing it because it educated me. It also serves to help novices get up to speed. So not a waste as far as I'm concerned.
Lots of good designs never get used for various reasons. It hurts a little. However, after 40 years as an engineer I'm used to it. Some. :-)
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Confirmation yet?
Any idea when are we going to hear some official confirmation about this renewed Navy funding? From the original leak it sounded like an official announcement was imminent... but here it is weeks later, and nothing.
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Re: Confirmation yet?
As I said I believe it when I see it. And I aint seen it yet.JoeStrout wrote:Any idea when are we going to hear some official confirmation about this renewed Navy funding? From the original leak it sounded like an official announcement was imminent... but here it is weeks later, and nothing.
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You are free to believe it or not. I assure you that a new contract with the US Navy is already working. But the import thing is that the research will go on not matter what you think. Although it would be great if you trust us.
Look at other side: there has not been any communication telling this is a lie as happend with California´s state funds that in 2 days there was a report saying it was not true. Now it is true
Joe, stop expecting any official announcement . They are working for the Navy, they don´t need it. It is suppose that is a research for the DoD, and many of them are even secret
Look at other side: there has not been any communication telling this is a lie as happend with California´s state funds that in 2 days there was a report saying it was not true. Now it is true
Joe, stop expecting any official announcement . They are working for the Navy, they don´t need it. It is suppose that is a research for the DoD, and many of them are even secret
Simon, it sounded like you heard there was going to be an announcement at some point. Is that still true as far as you know? Or does the contract perhaps mandate otherwise?
Given that Ligon has confirmed the contract and we have an email purportedly from Bussard, I'm assuming this isn't some elaborate hoax. But an official announcement would go a long way toward getting Polywell a lot more attention from major players like Slashdot and Instapundit, who are probably a bit skeptical given the 2 earlier false starts.
Given that Ligon has confirmed the contract and we have an email purportedly from Bussard, I'm assuming this isn't some elaborate hoax. But an official announcement would go a long way toward getting Polywell a lot more attention from major players like Slashdot and Instapundit, who are probably a bit skeptical given the 2 earlier false starts.