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UK and Spain join NIF

Posted: Sat Sep 10, 2011 10:34 pm
by rcain
forgot to post this up yesterday:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-14842720 - bbc 9 sept 2011

http://www.iop.org/activity/business/ca ... 51819.html - iop memorandum - 7 sept 2011

https://lasers.llnl.gov/ - NIF Newsroom - i see Spain also joined up last month - august 2011.

what do they all know that we dont?

Posted: Sun Sep 11, 2011 12:13 am
by Gallium
*delurks*

AWE = Atomic Weapons Establishment
Kinda explains what they want out of it.

*returns to lurking*

Posted: Sun Sep 11, 2011 12:31 am
by rcain
Gallium wrote:*delurks*

AWE = Atomic Weapons Establishment
Kinda explains what they want out of it.

*returns to lurking*
indeed. but what do they know that we don't? (besides 'a lot'). why right now?

i see there is also a fuel pellet processing industry up for grabs, if anything comes of it, if they can shoot down.... {ehem}, space junk ... for instance with it.

it seems NIF is actually becoming bigger - I didn't quite expect that, right now. i mean, have they seen the graph on FoFu's site? -

Image

courtesy: http://www.lawrencevilleplasmaphysics.c ... &Itemid=90

- i mean, that's seems a little embarrassing for everyone except Eric Lerner.. dont you think?

certainly, slightly different objectives, i would say. 8)

Posted: Sun Sep 11, 2011 3:10 am
by TallDave
Oh, good, now we'll get the benefit of Spain's demonstrated expertise in generating power with light...

Posted: Sun Sep 11, 2011 9:07 am
by rcain
lol.

they may well be factoring in some very passable sherry, fine sausage, and a limited offer timeshare somewhere near a golf course... to the deal.. ...i dare say... (to be fair i haven't read the full press release).

Posted: Sun Sep 11, 2011 11:16 am
by Giorgio
rcain wrote:they may well be factoring in some very passable sherry, fine sausage, and a limited offer timeshare somewhere near a golf course.
That's some important supplies when you have to throw the party to announce the first fusion reaction. Maybe NIF people are indeed getting ready for some good announcement :wink:

Posted: Sun Sep 11, 2011 2:29 pm
by Munchausen
rcain wrote:
Gallium wrote:*delurks*

AWE = Atomic Weapons Establishment
Kinda explains what they want out of it.

*returns to lurking*
indeed. but what do they know that we don't? (besides 'a lot'). why right now?

i see there is also a fuel pellet processing industry up for grabs, if anything comes of it, if they can shoot down.... {ehem}, space junk ... for instance with it.

it seems NIF is actually becoming bigger - I didn't quite expect that, right now. i mean, have they seen the graph on FoFu's site? -

Image

courtesy: http://www.lawrencevilleplasmaphysics.c ... &Itemid=90

- i mean, that's seems a little embarrassing for everyone except Eric Lerner.. dont you think?

certainly, slightly different objectives, i would say. 8)
Just qurious:

1 n equals to one D + T reaction resulting in 17,6 x 10^6 eV of energy

We have a projected value of some 3,7 x 10^6 x 60 = 222 x 10^6 neutrons per expended joule with D-T fuel in that contraption.

Produced amount of energy per expended joule is 17,6 x 10^6 x 222 x 10^6 x 1,60219 x 10^-19=17,6 x 222 x 1,60218 x 10^-7 = roughly 6,3 x 10-4 J.

Must be improved by about 10 000 times to be of any value. :cry:

Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2011 9:23 pm
by rcain
Munchausen wrote:...

Just qurious:

1 n equals to one D + T reaction resulting in 17,6 x 10^6 eV of energy

We have a projected value of some 3,7 x 10^6 x 60 = 222 x 10^6 neutrons per expended joule with D-T fuel in that contraption.

Produced amount of energy per expended joule is 17,6 x 10^6 x 222 x 10^6 x 1,60219 x 10^-19=17,6 x 222 x 1,60218 x 10^-7 = roughly 6,3 x 10-4 J.

Must be improved by about 10 000 times to be of any value. :cry:
a mere trifle. what is a factor of 10^4 between friends. especially with new spark plugs and a new timing belt....