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UK and Spain join NIF
Posted: Sat Sep 10, 2011 10:34 pm
by rcain
forgot to post this up yesterday:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-14842720 - bbc 9 sept 2011
http://www.iop.org/activity/business/ca ... 51819.html - iop memorandum - 7 sept 2011
https://lasers.llnl.gov/ - NIF Newsroom - i see Spain also joined up last month - august 2011.
what do they all know that we dont?
Posted: Sun Sep 11, 2011 12:13 am
by Gallium
*delurks*
AWE = Atomic Weapons Establishment
Kinda explains what they want out of it.
*returns to lurking*
Posted: Sun Sep 11, 2011 12:31 am
by rcain
Gallium wrote:*delurks*
AWE = Atomic Weapons Establishment
Kinda explains what they want out of it.
*returns to lurking*
indeed. but what do they know that we don't? (besides 'a lot'). why right now?
i see there is also a fuel pellet processing industry up for grabs, if anything comes of it, if they can shoot down.... {ehem}, space junk ... for instance with it.
it seems NIF is actually becoming bigger - I didn't quite expect that, right now. i mean, have they seen the graph on FoFu's site? -
courtesy: http://www.lawrencevilleplasmaphysics.c ... &Itemid=90
- i mean, that's seems a little embarrassing for everyone except Eric Lerner.. dont you think?
certainly, slightly different objectives, i would say.

Posted: Sun Sep 11, 2011 3:10 am
by TallDave
Oh, good, now we'll get the benefit of Spain's demonstrated expertise in generating power with light...
Posted: Sun Sep 11, 2011 9:07 am
by rcain
lol.
they may well be factoring in some very passable sherry, fine sausage, and a limited offer timeshare somewhere near a golf course... to the deal.. ...i dare say... (to be fair i haven't read the full press release).
Posted: Sun Sep 11, 2011 11:16 am
by Giorgio
rcain wrote:they may well be factoring in some very passable sherry, fine sausage, and a limited offer timeshare somewhere near a golf course.
That's some important supplies when you have to throw the party to announce the first fusion reaction. Maybe NIF people are indeed getting ready for some good announcement

Posted: Sun Sep 11, 2011 2:29 pm
by Munchausen
rcain wrote:Gallium wrote:*delurks*
AWE = Atomic Weapons Establishment
Kinda explains what they want out of it.
*returns to lurking*
indeed. but what do they know that we don't? (besides 'a lot'). why right now?
i see there is also a fuel pellet processing industry up for grabs, if anything comes of it, if they can shoot down.... {ehem}, space junk ... for instance with it.
it seems NIF is actually becoming bigger - I didn't quite expect that, right now. i mean, have they seen the graph on FoFu's site? -
courtesy: http://www.lawrencevilleplasmaphysics.c ... &Itemid=90
- i mean, that's seems a little embarrassing for everyone except Eric Lerner.. dont you think?
certainly, slightly different objectives, i would say.

Just qurious:
1 n equals to one D + T reaction resulting in 17,6 x 10^6 eV of energy
We have a projected value of some 3,7 x 10^6 x 60 = 222 x 10^6 neutrons per expended joule with D-T fuel in that contraption.
Produced amount of energy per expended joule is 17,6 x 10^6 x 222 x 10^6 x 1,60219 x 10^-19=17,6 x 222 x 1,60218 x 10^-7 = roughly 6,3 x 10-4 J.
Must be improved by about 10 000 times to be of any value.

Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2011 9:23 pm
by rcain
Munchausen wrote:...
Just qurious:
1 n equals to one D + T reaction resulting in 17,6 x 10^6 eV of energy
We have a projected value of some 3,7 x 10^6 x 60 = 222 x 10^6 neutrons per expended joule with D-T fuel in that contraption.
Produced amount of energy per expended joule is 17,6 x 10^6 x 222 x 10^6 x 1,60219 x 10^-19=17,6 x 222 x 1,60218 x 10^-7 = roughly 6,3 x 10-4 J.
Must be improved by about 10 000 times to be of any value.

a mere trifle. what is a factor of 10^4 between friends. especially with new spark plugs and a new timing belt....