parallel wrote:Ladajo,
I certainly view him as a more reliable source than you.
I have no doubt what you will be saying if the third party confirms his results. You will claim that you always thought it possible.
That we should just ignore all the ignorant, libelous crap you have posted about Rossi over the months.
Now that is funny.
As far as I am concerned Rossi has not proven anything to date, other than poor marketing. If it later proves out he has something, (not likely at this point), then that will be what it is.
I am looking at this whole thing objectively and at face value. You are using your Rossi colored glasses and are willing to take technical testing opinion from a Solar developer. That is not very smart. And, I am aware that you are both smart and seasoned. Your blind faith here does not fit. You are acting like a crusador, and Rossi is not a reliabel symbol by any means.
To date, Rossi has been full of shyte. He has run out of time for any possible logical reason not to come clean with an open and independant evaluation by the likes of UoB or others. I recently saw even "GeorgeHants" another past Rossibot like you, now saying enough is enough.
So what will you say when your crusade house of cards falls apart?
The development of atomic power, though it could confer unimaginable blessings on mankind, is something that is dreaded by the owners of coal mines and oil wells. (Hazlitt)
What I want to do is to look up C. . . . I call him the Forgotten Man. (Sumner)
I seriously hope that Rossi has something and would be _very_ excited if he did. But I so far all I have are his unverified statements based on results based on dubious measurements. No 3rd party verification that has been promised for years now. Given the current record, I have reason to doubt that we will NOT see the promised 3rd party results by the end of the year, but rather another delay.
Personally I don't see the argument that people like this have "run out of time" until they run out of money. Projecting time tables onto others based on our own impatience seems to me wrong-headed. Rossi may not ever prove himself right, but he is not proved wrong because someone else has run out of patience.
"Courage is not just a virtue, but the form of every virtue at the testing point." C. S. Lewis
No, but he keeps promising things that never materialize and that makes him untrustworthy.
It is so easy to prove you wrong it is hardly worth the effort.
Remember last year when you were so certain Rossi would not demonstrate his 1 MW plant in October? Well he did, but you never apologized.
Next you will say it's his fault that you don't believe the words of the third party that tested it. etc etc etc etc etc etc.
There are now dozens of engineers, scientists, investors, academics etc who have seen it, investigated it and know about it from close quarters, but you sitting at your computer a thousand miles away think know more than them. Why? Is that how you get your jollies?
You do know that the latest Hot Cat 33 cm long x 8.5 cm dia was passed around at the public meeting last week I suppose?
Remember last year when you were so certain Rossi would not demonstrate his 1 MW plant in October?
Not exactly sure what you are referring to exactly here.
I probably was referring to either an actualy selling product or to a 3rd party test of the 1 MW plant.
Let's see. Never doesn't apply to the things he did do, only to things he didn't do. I take it never means something quite different in your universe.
How many times were we promised definitive tests and verifications by 3rd parties? How many times were we told that [insert name of University here] was testing the ecat. How many times were we told that a product would be ready for the market in x amount of months?
And none of these things ever happened.
Dont get me wrong, my problem is not with the fact that these things take time. My problem is with the fact that we were told by Rossi that X was already underway and it was not.
I have noted an unnecessary personalization of timelines with regards folks in this forum, as if every projection that doesn't come true is somehow a broken promise. Lets be clear--statements by Rossi do not count as promises to people in this forum or anyone else who would qualify as "we" above. That's ridiculous. Further, when people make these sorts of projections, people ought to have the common sense to presume "Lord willin' an' the river don't rise". Deadlines and projections are insensitive to human limitations.
The thing you can complain about however, are those times in particular Rossi said something that was not true and he knew it was not true. It only takes one such instance for people to be justified to say he's not trustworthy. Now didn't he claim to have a factory building ECats in FL a couple years ago? Seems to me there are a handful of statements that were obviously lies. Lets not exaggerate them but just list them. Apart from paying for a fake degree, he has lied to people several times. Anyone care to list the lies? I'm not especially familiar as I haven't followed him much.
"Courage is not just a virtue, but the form of every virtue at the testing point." C. S. Lewis
Ladajo compiled a long list of what he claimed were lies by Rossi. I scanned it briefly but as I was in the final throws of retiring at the time, I only paid scant attention. I figured I would come back to it after retirement but pretty much lost interest.
My recollection is that the entire compellation amounted to forward looking statements, verbal shorthand of the sort "UoB" in lieu of "several professors from the UoB" and statements by OTHERS who said he said.
I was going to go back and make a spreadsheet of to posts but you know, I have more interesting things to do in retirement than to try to convince the iron minds in this forum not to libel the man.
Well, as I said just above, my problem is not delays. My problem is the many times he claimed that an independent verification was underway, some test at UoB, or UoU, or some other place. And every time this was not true. The only independent test that ever released results actually claimed that Rossis measurements were all wrong...
So when Rossi says something, it can not be trusted.
KitemanSA wrote:Ladajo compiled a long list of what he claimed were lies by Rossi. I scanned it briefly but as I was in the final throws of retiring at the time, I only paid scant attention. I figured I would come back to it after retirement but pretty much lost interest.
My recollection is that the entire compellation amounted to forward looking statements, verbal shorthand of the sort "UoB" in lieu of "several professors from the UoB" and statements by OTHERS who said he said.
I was going to go back and make a spreadsheet of to posts but you know, I have more interesting things to do in retirement than to try to convince the iron minds in this forum not to libel the man.
Maybe when retirement gets boring.
Be hearing from you tomorrow then?
Everything is bullshit unless proven otherwise. -A.C. Beddoe
any good links?