10KW LENR demonstrator (new thread)

GIThruster · Post by **GIThruster** » Sun Sep 23, 2012 6:46 am

stefanbanev wrote:The time is going on and still there is no apparent development so it is getting more probable to be a BS or at least a totally unpractical (for some reasons) tech. I should admit, the first time I learned about BL my first reaction was - total nonsense and I did not even follow what was going on with BL; not sure what its current status.

You're obviously not paying attention. Can't see why you'd make such an uninformed post. BLP has yet another timeline and schedule. This one is for their "CIHT" tech which they say they will be scaling up--I believe they said once this year and once next. I think there's a recommendation in the first validation study that gives a clue.

Looks like they had power so whoever was looking at investment bought a few hired guns who did the private studies. Based on them, the investors came out of pocket and BLP committed to a schedule to scale up. At least that is my take. Not even close to "no apparent development" though. All the CIHT tech is new. It's all fuel cell like direct to electrical that would be very handy for motive applications if it worked.

stefanbanev · Post by **stefanbanev** » Sun Sep 23, 2012 7:13 am

GIThruster wrote:
stefanbanev wrote:The time is going on and still there is no apparent development so it is getting more probable to be a BS or at least a totally unpractical (for some reasons) tech. I should admit, the first time I learned about BL my first reaction was - total nonsense and I did not even follow what was going on with BL; not sure what its current status.
You're obviously not paying attention. Can't see why you'd make such an uninformed post. BLP has yet another timeline and schedule. This one is for their "CIHT" tech which they say they will be scaling up--I believe they said once this year and once next. I think there's a recommendation in the first validation study that gives a clue.

Looks like they had power so whoever was looking at investment bought a few hired guns who did the private studies. Based on them, the investors came out of pocket and BLP committed to a schedule to scale up. At least that is my take. Not even close to "no apparent development" though. All the CIHT tech is new. It's all fuel cell like direct to electrical that would be very handy for motive applications if it worked.

As I stated clearly I'm not aware about its current status so from my POV "no apparent development". You said that in fact there is a quite substantial development - it is really great & thanks for update; will see...

ladajo · Post by **ladajo** » Mon Sep 24, 2012 1:22 pm

EESTOR

ladajo · Post by **ladajo** » Mon Sep 24, 2012 1:22 pm

STEORN

ladajo · Post by **ladajo** » Mon Sep 24, 2012 1:23 pm

Any many others I do not wish to make the effort to name.

A good number of them are still around, still milking money from the stupid and unsuspecting.

You sound very niave, again.

Betruger · Post by **Betruger** » Mon Sep 24, 2012 4:29 pm

I was gonna say Steorn first, but their scam was pitifully short lived compared to BLP and Rossi. I couldve sworn there was at least one of these really lurid ones that endured as long as Rossi.

tomclarke · Post by **tomclarke** » Mon Sep 24, 2012 4:57 pm

Betruger wrote:I was gonna say Steorn first, but their scam was pitifully short lived compared to BLP and Rossi. I couldve sworn there was at least one of these really lurid ones that endured as long as Rossi.

Noble gas engine? Been doing the rounds under different guises for 36 years...

ladajo · Post by **ladajo** » Mon Sep 24, 2012 5:08 pm

And here is a sampling of a few more:

http://open4energy.com/directory-of-hom ... ving-scams

ladajo · Post by **ladajo** » Mon Sep 24, 2012 5:34 pm

Another one of my personal favorites, showing how deep rooted and substantiated a total scam can become is the whole SynFuel Tax Credit Scam.

Here is a decent writeup:

http://economistsview.typepad.com/econo ... d_pay.html

There were also some articles by Time as I recall that date back a few years before this one.

stefanbanev · Post by **stefanbanev** » Tue Sep 25, 2012 4:58 am

tomclarke wrote:
Betruger wrote:I was gonna say Steorn first, but their scam was pitifully short lived compared to BLP and Rossi. I couldve sworn there was at least one of these really lurid ones that endured as long as Rossi.
Noble gas engine? Been doing the rounds under different guises for 36 years...

It is quite funny to put such apparent scam like Steorn, Noble gas engine etc. as an example to make the point ;o) I'm not surprised that such level of sophistication works fine for ladajo & Betruger - a little surprised that TC in the same company. LENR is a new phenomena – it has been discovered by accident, it is not well controllable and not well understood so at this stage “Edison” like person has a minor disadvantage over “Maxwellian” type of researchers.

MSimon · Post by **MSimon** » Tue Sep 25, 2012 7:16 am

stefanbanev wrote:
tomclarke wrote:
Betruger wrote:I was gonna say Steorn first, but their scam was pitifully short lived compared to BLP and Rossi. I couldve sworn there was at least one of these really lurid ones that endured as long as Rossi.
Noble gas engine? Been doing the rounds under different guises for 36 years...
It is quite funny to put such apparent scam like Steorn, Noble gas engine etc. as an example to make the point ;o) I'm not surprised that such level of sophistication works fine for ladajo & Betruger - a little surprised that TC in the same company. LENR is a new phenomena – it has been discovered by accident, it is not well controllable and not well understood so at this stage “Edison” like person has a minor disadvantage over “Maxwellian” type of researchers.

We are twenty years on from "new phenomenon". Most of the researchers are Maxwellian. As in Smart. Agent 86.

Joseph Chikva · Post by **Joseph Chikva** » Tue Sep 25, 2012 9:22 am

stefanbanev wrote:at this stage “Edison” like person has a minor disadvantage over “Maxwellian” type of researchers.

Usefulness of Edisonian devices was and is obvious for everyone, while all Rossian invention’s demos could not provide any evidence of their usefulness. Why you can not see this significant difference?

tomclarke · Post by **tomclarke** » Tue Sep 25, 2012 1:03 pm

Joseph Chikva wrote:
stefanbanev wrote:at this stage “Edison” like person has a minor disadvantage over “Maxwellian” type of researchers.
Usefulness of Edisonian devices was and is obvious for everyone, while all Rossian invention’s demos could not provide any evidence of their usefulness. Why you can not see this significant difference?

Suppose Edison had spent years working on light bulbs, and presented a few demos in a lighted room where he claimed a small barely visible glint inside a glass bulb was Eureka. He refused to switch lights off for health and safety reasons.

Edison then said he was going into production to sell these things, advertising a spec which said that one device could light up a whole factory.

He got various safety approvals for the devices, for which he had to promise that the glass bulbs in fact did not contain vacuum (too dangerous).

He spent most of his time on a blog answering admiring comments from people who had a vision of a world without darkness.

He received large amounts of money from other people given geographic licenses to exploit the new (completely unproven) device, who themselves set up websites to promote the nonexistent devices.

Skeptics pointed out:

(a) the light levels so far acheived were not useful, and could anyway be acheived by strategic placement of glow-worms, which no-one could rule out.

(b) most theory says to get filaments to light up reliably you need vacuum, or near vacuum.

ladajo · Post by **ladajo** » Tue Sep 25, 2012 3:03 pm

stefanbanev wrote:
tomclarke wrote:
Betruger wrote:I was gonna say Steorn first, but their scam was pitifully short lived compared to BLP and Rossi. I couldve sworn there was at least one of these really lurid ones that endured as long as Rossi.
Noble gas engine? Been doing the rounds under different guises for 36 years...
It is quite funny to put such apparent scam like Steorn, Noble gas engine etc. as an example to make the point ;o) I'm not surprised that such level of sophistication works fine for ladajo & Betruger - a little surprised that TC in the same company. LENR is a new phenomena – it has been discovered by accident, it is not well controllable and not well understood so at this stage “Edison” like person has a minor disadvantage over “Maxwellian” type of researchers.

Ok genius. I gather you did not figure out that I have been talking about the viability to scam almost anything, not that LENR en mass is a scam. You have obviously outclassed me again. I bow to your superior understanding of all.
My opinion, in simple terms, in case you have not grasped it yet, is odds are Rossi is full of it. The device is what it is, but we do not yet know what it is. And, for the time being (follow carefully here, it gets a bit more complex) LENR is enjoying some higher visbility, to some degree as a courtesy of Rossi's escapades. That said, if he continues on path, and is proven out as a scam, then the damage he could do LENR far outweighs the gain to date.

rcain · Post by **rcain** » Tue Sep 25, 2012 3:06 pm

some interesting papers from 17th International Conference on "Cold Fusion" ( Aug. 12-17, 2012, Daejeon, Korea) just published:

http://newenergytimes.com/v2/conference ... F-17.shtml

in particular:

ICCF-17-Godes-Controlled-Electron-Capture-Paper - http://newenergytimes.com/v2/conference ... -Paper.pdf

and

ICCF-17-Mosier-Boss-Its-Not-Low-Energy-Paper - http://newenergytimes.com/v2/conference ... -Paper.pdf

caught my eye.