10KW LENR demonstrator (new thread)

parallel · Post by **parallel** » Fri Sep 09, 2011 7:53 pm

Piers D
September 9th, 2011 at 10:26 AM

Dear Mr Rossi,
I would like to congratulate all your team who have worked on bringing cold fusion from the lab to industrial and commercial reality. It seems so many years ago that Fleishman and Pons first introduced the concept to the wider global audience.
I have two questions that you might wish to answer:
• Have fully working E-Cats been provided to the Bologna and Uppsala Universities for research and testing?
• Do you have any prospective European or Asian partners that will license the E-Cat technology for commercial production?
Yours sincerely
Piers Dickinson

Andrea Rossi
September 9th, 2011 at 11:28 AM

Dear Piers D:
1- yes
2- yes
Warm regards,
A.R.

Can you confirm this Giorgio?

Giorgio · Post by **Giorgio** » Sat Sep 10, 2011 8:33 am

According my contact, until the last days of August nothing was delivered to them.
He is now abroad until the third week of September, but he will try to see if he can verify this info.

Giorgio · Post by **Giorgio** » Sat Sep 10, 2011 9:19 am

My friend contacted a couple of people and all of them confirmed that nothing has been delivered to their department in the last 2 weeks.

rcain · Post by **rcain** » Sat Sep 10, 2011 11:44 am

... i suspect h'e rapidly trying to wrangle alternative deals elsewhere, as that recent clipping suggests he is able to do. pulling a few strings through the UoB possibly.

just like to see some serious dudes from Taiwan or Korea, march in there with cash, sweep Rossi aside and either: a) put ECats in our shops, or b) put Rossi in a canal.

just wish they would get on with it.

parallel · Post by **parallel** » Sat Sep 10, 2011 12:33 pm

Dear Mr.. Rossi,
thanks again for pointing this* out! With regard to its response to Piers D, can confirm that a functioning E-Cat is located within the walls of the Alma Mater? Sorry to be redundant, but this is really news!

(*Rossi again confirms the 1 MW demo will be in the last week of October.}

Andrea Rossi
September 9th, 2011 at 3:57 PM

Dear Mahler:
Not yet, but it is true that the R&D program with the University of Bologna is close to be started.
Warm Regards,
A.R.

Ah. It seems Rossi's earlier statement was a bit ahead of its time. I thought he had stated previously that the R&D at Bologna U. would not start until after the 1 MW demo.

Alessandro Casali
September 9th, 2011 at 4:15 PM

Dear Dr. Rossi,

glad to know that your R&D with UNIBO is going to start soon!

Have you performed any preliminary test in front of the customer of your first 1MV plant yet? I’m asking as i presume they wanted to see something before October, if yes how did the test perform? what was the average I/O balance?

Warm Regards,
ac

Andrea Rossi
September 9th, 2011 at 4:29 PM

Dear Alessandro Casali:
All is going on along the scheduled program. I cannot give more info.
Warm Regards,
A.R.

Burt
September 10th, 2011 at 2:48 AM

Dear Mr Rossi

What is the status for University of Uppsala in regards of E-cat?

Keep up the good work

Best Regards

Andrea Rossi
September 10th, 2011 at 2:55 AM

Dear Burt
Working on it.
Warm Regards,
A.R.

parallel · Post by **parallel** » Sat Sep 10, 2011 12:46 pm

From Vortex
Re Obama's speech

The legislation also takes steps to help the underfunded U.S. Patent and
Trademark Office deal with a backlog that forces inventors to wait three
years to get a decision on patent applications and has swamped the agency
with some 1.2 million pending applications.

About time.

rcain · Post by **rcain** » Sat Sep 10, 2011 4:45 pm

parallel wrote:From Vortex
Re Obama's speech

The legislation also takes steps to help the underfunded U.S. Patent and
Trademark Office deal with a backlog that forces inventors to wait three
years to get a decision on patent applications and has swamped the agency
with some 1.2 million pending applications.
About time.

oh no! not more 'F'ing patents. what about the Public Knowledge Act, when's some of that going to start flying about? Been waiting longer

parallel · Post by **parallel** » Mon Sep 12, 2011 3:14 pm

Rossi's US patent application has surfaced. http://ip.com/patapp/US20110005506

I haven't finished reading it but so far it provided little new information that I've noticed. I suppose this is a marker to establish priority and it will be modified after the US Patent Office decides it will actually consider cold fusion patents.

Edit added.
It does give the name of the factory where it is claimed an E-Cat has been heating it since 2007
EON of via Carlo Ragazzi 18, at Bondeno (Province of Ferrara).
I also lists the suppliers of the materials and equipment.

olivier · Post by **olivier** » Mon Sep 12, 2011 3:45 pm

In applicant exothermal reaction the hydrogen nuclei, due to a high absorbing capability of nickel therefor, are compressed about the metal atom nuclei, while said high temperature generates internuclear percussions which are made stronger by the catalytic action of optional elements, thereby triggering a capture of a proton by the nickel powder, with a consequent transformation of nickel to copper and a beta+ decay of the latter to a nickel nucleus having a mass which is by an unit larger than that of the starting nickel

You will not learn much from this patent. After reading, I put a 1-euro cupronickel coin on top of my desk and pressed it with my finger. It looked familiar and hard. Still no idea how you can overcome 28 elementary charges.

rcain · Post by **rcain** » Mon Sep 12, 2011 5:17 pm

olivier wrote:
In applicant exothermal reaction the hydrogen nuclei, due to a high absorbing capability of nickel therefor, are compressed about the metal atom nuclei, while said high temperature generates internuclear percussions which are made stronger by the catalytic action of optional elements, thereby triggering a capture of a proton by the nickel powder, with a consequent transformation of nickel to copper and a beta+ decay of the latter to a nickel nucleus having a mass which is by an unit larger than that of the starting nickel
You will not learn much from this patent. After reading, I put a 1-euro cupronickel coin on top of my desk and pressed it with my finger. It looked familiar and hard. Still no idea how you can overcome 28 elementary charges.

... all you need is an old stove pipe, some welding equipment, and some hydrogen. apparently.

according to his patent, you have a choice or catalysts. (he doesn't say whether he has applied for patent of his own secret recipe, separately; that would have seemed the smart thing to do.)

(apparently you dont need very much by way of thermometers, or pressure gauges, or meters or any of that useless crap

)

rcain · Post by **rcain** » Mon Sep 12, 2011 5:20 pm

parallel wrote:Rossi's US patent application has surfaced. http://ip.com/patapp/US20110005506

I haven't finished reading it but so far it provided little new information that I've noticed. I suppose this is a marker to establish priority and it will be modified after the US Patent Office decides it will actually consider cold fusion patents.

Edit added.
It does give the name of the factory where it is claimed an E-Cat has been heating it since 2007
EON of via Carlo Ragazzi 18, at Bondeno (Province of Ferrara).
I also lists the suppliers of the materials and equipment.

I suspect you might find, upon closer inspection, that EON of via Carlo Ragazzi is sited on top of an old volcano. perchance?

KitemanSA · Post by **KitemanSA** » Mon Sep 12, 2011 5:54 pm

Isn't EON the company the NyTeknik says Rossi sold for several million dollars so he could develop the E-Cat?

Giorgio · Post by **Giorgio** » Mon Sep 12, 2011 7:50 pm

KitemanSA wrote:Isn't EON the company the NyTek says Rossi sold for several million dollars so he could develop the E-Cat?

I missed that news.
Do you have any link for it?

KitemanSA · Post by **KitemanSA** » Tue Sep 13, 2011 1:29 am

olivier wrote: You will not learn much from this patent. After reading, I put a 1-euro cupronickel coin on top of my desk and pressed it with my finger. It looked familiar and hard. Still no idea how you can overcome 28 elementary charges.

Some folks think it is by neutralizing (escorting) the proton with an electron.

As it happens, plasmon polaritons (special electrons that happen in some lattices) are not fermionic particals but bosonic, so they are NOT excluded by the Pauli exlusion principle. As such, they MAY, conjecturally, combine with a Hydrogen nucleus (proton) and as a neutralized particle, get close enough to the Ni nucleus to get captured.

Konjecturally.

rcain · Post by **rcain** » Tue Sep 13, 2011 1:34 am

KitemanSA wrote:
olivier wrote: You will not learn much from this patent. After reading, I put a 1-euro cupronickel coin on top of my desk and pressed it with my finger. It looked familiar and hard. Still no idea how you can overcome 28 elementary charges.
Some folks think it is by neutralizing (escorting) the proton with an electron.

As it happens, plasmon polaritons (special electrons that happen in some lattices) are not fermionic particals but bosonic, so they are NOT excluded by the Pauli exlusion principle. As such, they MAY, conjecturally, combine with a Hydrogen nucleus (proton) and as a neutralized particle, get close enough to the Ni nucleus to get captured.

Konjecturally.

tantalizing conjecture. regardless of the merits.