10KW LENR demonstrator (new thread)

[Axil]

Axil. where does it say US navy?
It is funny how people jump to conclusion. Rossi says "military" (and that may or may not be true) and you conclude "US Navy". As if that was the only military organization in the world.

You do have a short memory. Rossi said the military customers name began with a “N” and was in the business of keeping secrets.

[Joseph Chikva]

Rossi said the military customers name began with a “N” and was in the business of keeping secrets.

Hehe. "Keep secrets" I will not say anyone more than registered here 40 thousands people and also entering here about 100 thousands. The rest poor 6.5 billions will not be aware with this "secret".

[Ivy Matt]

You do have a short memory. Rossi said the military customers name began with a “N” and was in the business of keeping secrets.

Where did Rossi say any such thing?

[Axil]

You do have a short memory. Rossi said the military customers name began with a “N” and was in the business of keeping secrets.

Where did Rossi say any such thing?

See your post:

Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2012 2:42 pm

[tomclarke]

Axil, it goes no further than any other claim from Rossi. It's Rossi that is seeding this information and because of that, his actions, his history, and his used-car salesman-esque attitude, nothing he says can be construed as evidence either way. Unless you get a quote from this myserious military branch that identifies it, there's nothing to say and no evidence to prove or disprove.

Agreed.

Axil, do you not begin to worry about quoting Rossi's statements when all the substantive ones so far that can be checked have proven false?

Tom

[ScottL]

You do have a short memory. Rossi said the military customers name began with a “N” and was in the business of keeping secrets.

Where did Rossi say any such thing?

See your post:

Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2012 2:42 pm

Sterling said the customer began with an N, Rossi said it was a military customer. Unfortunately the customer doesn't start with a U, so if it is a navy, it could be anyone's navy.

[ladajo]

It is sad, and not funny.
Axil, you are still leaping to wild conclusions.
Do yourself a favor and stop. You sound like you need to take a sabatical from the internet.

The U.S. Navy has not bought anything from Rossi.

[Axil]

Axil, it goes no further than any other claim from Rossi. It's Rossi that is seeding this information and because of that, his actions, his history, and his used-car salesman-esque attitude, nothing he says can be construed as evidence either way. Unless you get a quote from this myserious military branch that identifies it, there's nothing to say and no evidence to prove or disprove.

Agreed.

Axil, do you not begin to worry about quoting Rossi's statements when all the substantive ones so far that can be checked have proven false?

Tom

I believe that the inconsistencies in Rossi’s statements are a result of his fast moving reactor development process. So an older statement that Rossi may have made may no longer be consistent with a newer system.

List the statement(s) that bothers you and I will attempt to explain its context.

[ladajo]

Delusional people can explain anything to their own satisfaction.

If you insist on not taking a vacaation, prove to me that Rossi is not a proven liar.

I still recommend that sabatical. Just thinking of your well being.

[ScottL]

Axil, it goes no further than any other claim from Rossi. It's Rossi that is seeding this information and because of that, his actions, his history, and his used-car salesman-esque attitude, nothing he says can be construed as evidence either way. Unless you get a quote from this myserious military branch that identifies it, there's nothing to say and no evidence to prove or disprove.

Agreed.

Axil, do you not begin to worry about quoting Rossi's statements when all the substantive ones so far that can be checked have proven false?

Tom

I believe that the inconsistencies in Rossi’s statements are a result of his fast moving reactor development process. So an older statement that Rossi may have made may no longer be consistent with a newer system.

List the statement(s) that bothers you and I will attempt to explain its context.

Here's a start:

He has claimed to have a factory currently producing eCats in the U.S., specifically in Florida. According to the investigation report in Florida, he claims all production of materials and eCats is done overseas. So which is it?

[Axil]

Out of the current LENR systems in development, Rossi’s reactor is the most attractive to the US military because of its very high power density. The E-Cat catalyst (AKA secret sauce) greatly reduces the size and weight of the LENR core by a factor of 100 over a non-catalyzed reactor. One gram of nickel in an E-Cat does the work of 100 grams in a non-catalyzed type reactor (Brillouin Energy system).

This small and compact LENR 10 KW core cigarette pack sized form factor is attractive for airborne, mobile and boots on the ground military applications.

The 1 Mw size equates to about 100 horsepower at the current 10% to15% solid state heat to electric conversion efficiency.

The military applications of LENR are game changing. If Rossi has shown the DOD any LENR capability at all, the military would have bit down hard on the LENR military potential.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/ap ... ear-drones

US draws up plans for nuclear drones

Technology is designed to increase flying time 'from days to months', along with power available for weapons systems

Surveillance and attack drones are central to current US military strategy; there is a critical need for such drones to maintain station keeping for long periods ranging up to many months. But the current generation of nuclear drones poses a risk of nuclear contamination and subversion if the drone is downed in hostile territory.

A LERN drone would be an ideal power source since LENR contamination is not possible. A LENR drone is a green drone. In the event of a crash of a LENR drone, no worldwide anti-American nuclear scare propaganda can be applied by the subject of the drone’s action.

Coles believes the increasing sophistication of drones poses many threats: "As they become low-cost, low-risk alternatives to conventional warfare, the threshold for their use will inevitably drop. The consequences are not being thought through."

If I haven’t missed my guess, a design LENR power plant for a drone is on the drawing board somewhere in the close vicinity of Rossi’s office. As robots take over the US war fighting function, LENR will be at their heart.




As background, the Navy launched its X-47B, a next-generation semi-autonomous stealth drone, on its first flight at Edwards Air Force Base in California. That flying robot—designed to operate from the decks of aircraft carriers—has since been sent on to Maryland’s Naval Air Station Patuxent River for further testing. At nearby Webster Field, the Navy worked out kinks in its Fire Scout pilotless helicopter, which has also been tested at Fort Rucker and Yuma Proving Ground in Arizona, as well as Florida’s Mayport Naval Station and Jacksonville Naval Air Station. The latter base was also where the Navy’s Broad Area Maritime Surveillance (BAMS) unmanned aerial system was developed.


Illustration of the BAMS unmanned aerial system

I suspect that the LENR version of the Navy next generation drone power plant will be directed by the BAMS project management. With a number of naval facilities in the Florida panhandle, Florida provides a natural R&D location for Robot development. It is probable that the factory to produce the LENR power units for these robots will be located close to if not at Florida’s Mayport Naval Station and Jacksonville Naval Air Station.

On 22 April 2008, Northrop Grumman received the Broad Area Maritime Surveillance contract worth $1.16 billion. Lockheed Martin filed a formal protest with the GAO two weeks later. On August 11, 2008 the GAO ruled to uphold the Navy’s selection of Northrop Grumman. In September 2010, the BAMS aircraft was designated the MQ-4C.

Is it a coincidence that Northrop Grumman received the Broad Area Maritime Surveillance contract and is also working on the nuclear drone?

In DOD contracting parlance, such a serendipitous situation is called a discriminator.

In 2007, the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA) revealed a program to develop technology for a UAV with an endurance capability of over 5 years. The program, entitled VULTURE (an acronym for Very-high altitude, Ultra-endurance, Loitering Theater Unmanned Reconnaissance Element), entered Phase II on September 14, 2010, with a contract signed with Boeing for development of the SolarEagle flight demonstrator.

If a LENR drone power plant is available, it would be a good backup power plant solution for the SolarEagle to increase its low attitude and surveillance instrumentation package capability.

[Axil]

*sigh* Axil, Rossi has had previous contracts with the U.S. military, of which, none panned out. He took the money and ran at least once before. What says he wouldn't do the same again? What says the U.S. military lets its self be fooled again?

Rossi and the US military are made for each other like Ahab and the great white whale. Sometimes money and the routine of private enterprise are less important than the thrill of the hunt and playing inside the exciting world of government military bureaucracy. There is nothing as exciting as birthing a critical and forward leaning branch of the US military into a green tomorrow with your invention at the bottom of it all; and still better all under the nurture and protection of powerful eagle wings.

Ahab was eaten by the whale......so Rossi is going to get devoured by the U.S. military?

Yes.

You will not see a Rossi commercial product for a long long time if ever.

[KitemanSA]

Axil, do you not begin to worry about quoting Rossi's statements when all the substantive ones so far that can be checked have proven false?

Specifics please?

[KitemanSA]

Here's a start:

He has claimed to have a factory currently producing eCats in the U.S., specifically in Florida. According to the investigation report in Florida, he claims all production of materials and eCats is done overseas. So which is it?

Oh kriminy, not that crud again.

Given that you are providing a "ferinstance" to TC's "proven false" I take this to mean that you subscribe to that statement. If so, you seem to be unable to distinguish tenses.

The FBRC dude says Rossi said that no reactors were built in Florida (or some such words). He goes on to say that Rossi PLANS to build in the US once UL Listing is achieved. Rossi says he is building a factory to produce E-Cats in the US. Differnt times. Where is the lie?

You know, I really hate to have to defend Rossi but folks like you just can't seem to quit making unsupportable statements about him. You and Rossi seem to be much alike, making unsupportable statements. Ah well. Sigh.

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KitemanSA

Oh kriminy, not that crud again.

No point in trying until you figure how to pick up a turd by the clean end.