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Post by Axil »

The fact that Rossi claims to have invented a new method of isotopic enrichment (second miracle) is not idle speculation.
I believe that Rossi is using the Soret effect to enrich the heavy isotopes of nickel when he formulates nickel oxide powder from pure nickel nano-powder feed stock.

Background:

Thermophoresis

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermophoresis
Thermophoresis, thermodiffusion, or Soret effect (or Ludwig-Soret effect), is a phenomenon observed when a mixture of two or more types of motile particles (particles able to move) are subjected to the force of a temperature gradient and the different types of particles respond to it differently. The term "Sorét effect" normally means thermophoresis in liquids only. The term "thermophoresis" is most often intended to mean the behavior in aerosols, not liquids, but the broader meaning is also common. The mechanisms of thermophoresis in liquid mixtures differ from those in gas mixtures, and are generally not as well understood.

The phenomenon is observed at the scale of one millimeter or less. An example that may be observed by the naked eye with good lighting is when the hot rod of an electric heater is surrounded by tobacco smoke: the smoke goes away from the immediate vicinity of the hot rod. As the small particles of air nearest the hot rod are heated, they create a fast flow away from the rod, down the temperature gradient. They have acquired higher kinetic energy with their higher temperature. When they collide with the large, slower-moving particles of the tobacco smoke they push the latter away from the rod. The force that has pushed the smoke particles away from the rod is an example of a thermophoretic force.

For illustration see aerosols.wustl.edu.

How this applies to the formation of nichel oxide nano-powder

http://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1102/1102.3840.pdf

FORMATION AND RUPTURE OF THE NANOSIZED METAL FILAMENT INSIDE OXIDE MATRIX
The present of the strong temperature gradients can results to temperature gradient-driven diffusion (thermomigration). Thermomigration in solid is small and therefore one is usually can be neglected as compared to concentration diffusion. In a heat flow transient induced by electrical discharge, however, temperature gradient is order to 10^8C/cm and thermal diffusion contribution cannot be excluded, especially in melt state of the oxide. If a homogeneous binary compound is placed in a temperature gradient, a redistribution of the constituents can occur with one constituent migrating to the cold end of the specimen and other to the hot end. This phenomenon is called Soret effect.


The direction of the migration and values of the mass flows is defined by the transport heat f of the diffusing ions Q*. The values of the Q*’s for Ni and O thermomigration in NiO are unknown. However, we can use the approaches which were developed for liquid conductive compounds . Indeed, in this theory assuming that the liquid is a dense gas and applying the thermo-transport theory in binary gas mixtures the direction of the diffusion is determined primarily by the mass differences, the lighter component migrates to the warmer end and the heavy component to cold end.

With this in mind, we can assume that the Ni ions migrate towards the hot region, whereas the O ions diffuse to periphery of the melt region. As a consequence, a temperature gradient drives the establishment of concentration gradients. In the stationary state this concentration gradient depends on the boundary conditions. As melt region are closed for the exchange of oxygen with the surrounding gas phase, process end up with zero atom fluxes, defining the so-called Soret state with Ni rich region in center of the melt.


The data given on Fig.3 confirm an opportunity of an establishment of the Soret state at high temperature stage of the forming. The presented dates are SIMS images of the O and Ni distribution near NiO-Pt interfaces for initial oxide structure and after forming. We can see that only O diffuses away from local nonhomogeneous regions of the NiO during forming. Assuming that these local regions have highest conductivity and, as consequence, high temperature due to Joule hitting the atoms redistribution can be defined by thermomigration and Soret state establishment.

This part of the Rossi patent caught my attention that bears upon this subject:

I would like to call attention to one of the patents of special interest that is mentioned in the Rossi patent. This part of the Rossi patent caught my special attention:

http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Pars ... PN/6236225

Method of testing the gate oxide in integrated DMOS power transistors and integrated device comprising a DMOS power transistor


This patent of interest can be seen in the light of nickel oxide quality testing. After Rossi produces the nickel oxide nano-powder, he needs to test it for proper dielectric behavior.

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Post by cg66 »

seedload wrote:Proof this is a scam.
Wladimir Guglinski
May 21st, 2011 at 9:54 AM
SUGGESTION TO DR. ROSSI

Dear Dr. Andrea Rossi

I am adept at swimming (I swim about 7km per week).

But now is the beginning of winter in Brazil, and the pool water becomes too cold for swimming.

Some clubs have swimming pools heated electrically, but very few, because the electric heating is very expensive.

A good advertisement for the E-Cat would be to sell it to clubs (for heating swimming pools and steam sauna).
With a cheap heating, all the clubs could have a heater for cold fusion, and the news would spread worldwide.

I could even do demonstrations to clubs in my city

Tell us your opinion
Andrea Rossi
May 21st, 2011 at 2:35 PM
Dear Dr. Wladimir Guglinski:
Good idea.
Warm Regards,
A.R.
No one could possibly consider that a good idea. No one is polite enough to even say it is a good idea.

Therefore, it must be a scam :)
Ha! Actually I used to work on swimming pools in my youth (best summer job ever!) - and we had one customer (married into the Oppenheimer family I believe) that dropped $10,000 to have his outdoor pool heated in March so he could swim in it for an hour. Heating a pool is like trying to heat your house with all the windows open - so as a pool heater, Rossi's device makes perfect sense (but certainly would not be 1st on my list).

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Post by seedload »

cg66 wrote:
seedload wrote:Proof this is a scam.
Wladimir Guglinski
May 21st, 2011 at 9:54 AM
SUGGESTION TO DR. ROSSI

Dear Dr. Andrea Rossi

I am adept at swimming (I swim about 7km per week).

But now is the beginning of winter in Brazil, and the pool water becomes too cold for swimming.

Some clubs have swimming pools heated electrically, but very few, because the electric heating is very expensive.

A good advertisement for the E-Cat would be to sell it to clubs (for heating swimming pools and steam sauna).
With a cheap heating, all the clubs could have a heater for cold fusion, and the news would spread worldwide.

I could even do demonstrations to clubs in my city

Tell us your opinion
Andrea Rossi
May 21st, 2011 at 2:35 PM
Dear Dr. Wladimir Guglinski:
Good idea.
Warm Regards,
A.R.
No one could possibly consider that a good idea. No one is polite enough to even say it is a good idea.

Therefore, it must be a scam :)
Ha! Actually I used to work on swimming pools in my youth (best summer job ever!) - and we had one customer (married into the Oppenheimer family I believe) that dropped $10,000 to have his outdoor pool heated in March so he could swim in it for an hour. Heating a pool is like trying to heat your house with all the windows open - so as a pool heater, Rossi's device makes perfect sense (but certainly would not be 1st on my list).
Certainly it makes sense as a swimming pool heater.

It is the idea of marketing it as a swimming pool heater as an advertisement to get business that doesn't make sense.

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seedload wrote:
cg66 wrote:
seedload wrote:Proof this is a scam.
No one could possibly consider that a good idea. No one is polite enough to even say it is a good idea.

Therefore, it must be a scam :)
Ha! Actually I used to work on swimming pools in my youth (best summer job ever!) - and we had one customer (married into the Oppenheimer family I believe) that dropped $10,000 to have his outdoor pool heated in March so he could swim in it for an hour. Heating a pool is like trying to heat your house with all the windows open - so as a pool heater, Rossi's device makes perfect sense (but certainly would not be 1st on my list).
Certainly it makes sense as a swimming pool heater.

It is the idea of marketing it as a swimming pool heater as an advertisement to get business that doesn't make sense.
Doh! Missed that part - yes that is silly! :lol:

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Post by Carl White »

Gahhh, I'm tired of lurking and reading you harp on and on about this!
seedload wrote:The fact that Leonardo Corporation is a rancher and an apartment is not idle speculation.
That is the MAILING ADDRESS for the corporation. That is all it is! Very common when someone sets up a private corporation and doesn't bother to change it later!!!!!!

Rossi doesn't even own a part of Leonardo Technologies any more, he just has maintained a relationship with it.

Think about this. If you were Rossi, would *you* want the location of your assembly sites to be publically available? Wouldn't that just be inviting espionage? Or at the very least, an unwelcome stream of the curious and/or paranoid (e.g. people worried about "nukes" in their back yards)?

This is evidence of nothing, one way or the other! Good grief!

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raphael wrote:Fine, Leonardo Corporation is a house in the woods owned by some guy in NH.

Got it.

I'm not "defending" them because I know nothing about them. Moreover, I never claimed I did....

Ah. The ignorance is bliss theory of investigation. Cheaper than drugs and often more effective.
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http://dodfuelcell.cecer.army.mil/libra ... 004%29.pdf

14. ABSTRACT

The Department of Defense (DOD) is concerned with reliable and cost-effective power generation of on-site power generators as well as minimizing the environmental impact of these generators. Thermoelectric (TE) devices offer the opportunity to generate power without additional fuels, without moving parts, and with negligible environmental impact. An electrical energy conversion efficiency of approximately 15% would be required to obtain an acceptable return on investment for TE devices. A feasibility study to was performed to determine how, assuming a 16% efficiency, TE devices could impact the DOD’s power generation capabilities.

Based on research indicating energy conversion efficiencies of 20%, TE devices were built and tested. Of 27 TE devices supplied, only 8 were functional; each device produced only 1 Watt of power.
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MSimon wrote:
raphael wrote: I'm not "defending" them because I know nothing about them. Moreover, I never claimed I did....
Ah. The ignorance is bliss theory of investigation. Cheaper than drugs and often more effective.
Ah. The "snipe at irrelevancies" theory of suppression. Cheaper than bullets and often more effective.[/quote]

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Post by MSimon »

KitemanSA wrote:
MSimon wrote:
raphael wrote: I'm not "defending" them because I know nothing about them. Moreover, I never claimed I did....
Ah. The ignorance is bliss theory of investigation. Cheaper than drugs and often more effective.
Ah. The "snipe at irrelevancies" theory of suppression. Cheaper than bullets and often more effective.
If I was interested in suppression I have moderator privileges.

Factory or just workshop? i.e. exaggeration. Why does it matter? Truth telling.
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Post by D Tibbets »

parallel wrote:D Tibbets,

According to the test report, the "flow" of H2 was ~0.4 grams. Why do you care where that goes? In one case the H2 cylinder was actually disconnected after the initial charge to show more was not being introduced.
Hydrogen flow 0.4 grams per second?. That would be ~ 5 liters per second. I don't know how much heat that flow of hydrogen could produce when burned.

Even if only a small portion of the hydrogen is used for fusion (especially if only a small portion is consumed by fusion or burning to water), the rest would be exiting into the room. Lets see, a little less than 5 liters of hydrogen gas per second (or even per minute) entering a room without an appropriate exhaust system for 12 hrs. I hope nobody was smoking or generated a spark.

As far as turning off the hydrogen- in an interview, the professor said that Rossi had figured out how to turn off the heat production- by turning off the hydrogen supply.

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D Tibbets wrote:
parallel wrote:According to the test report, the "flow" of H2 was ~0.4 grams. Why do you care where that goes? In one case the H2 cylinder was actually disconnected after the initial charge to show more was not being introduced.
Hydrogen flow 0.4 grams per second?.
No, 0.4g total charge.
D Tibbets wrote: That would be ~ 5 liters per second.
No, 5 liters (STP) total charge.
D Tibbets wrote: I don't know how much heat that flow of hydrogen could produce when burned.
Not much.
D Tibbets wrote: As far as turning off the hydrogen- in an interview, the professor said that Rossi had figured out how to turn off the heat production- by turning off the hydrogen supply.
In the demo, that would amount to releasing the pressure, no?

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Post by MSimon »

22.4 liters @ STP = 1 mole. or .4g ~= 1/5th mole.

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hb ... ctrol.html

1 mole of water ~= 240 kJ. I leave it as an exercise for the reader to work out the rest.
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Post by chrismb »

cg66 wrote:Ha! Actually I used to work on swimming pools in my youth (best summer job ever!) - and we had one customer (married into the Oppenheimer family I believe) that dropped $10,000 to have his outdoor pool heated in March so he could swim in it for an hour. Heating a pool is like trying to heat your house with all the windows open - so as a pool heater, Rossi's device makes perfect sense (but certainly would not be 1st on my list).
Haven't you newcomers read this thread properly!

See page 30;

viewtopic.php?p=57081#57081

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Post by cg66 »

chrismb wrote:
cg66 wrote:Ha! Actually I used to work on swimming pools in my youth (best summer job ever!) - and we had one customer (married into the Oppenheimer family I believe) that dropped $10,000 to have his outdoor pool heated in March so he could swim in it for an hour. Heating a pool is like trying to heat your house with all the windows open - so as a pool heater, Rossi's device makes perfect sense (but certainly would not be 1st on my list).
Haven't you newcomers read this thread properly!

See page 30;

viewtopic.php?p=57081#57081
:D Now we just have to revisit the Viagra bit and we will have really come full circle. :P

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Post by cg66 »

Related to the topic of Nickel enrichment - this paper examines LERN transmutation of nickel films.

http://newenergytimes.com/v2/library/19 ... ations.pdf

Couple of interesting bits -
1.) Fe was found in the ash Rossi gave to Kullander - he believes it isn't related to the reaction - however if you look at some of the LERN transmutation literature, Fe is usually produced. in the case of the paper Fe was produced to within ~5% of natural ratios (Fe-56/Fe57)

2.)In the paper Cu is produced within 1% of the natural isotopes - this is also consistent with initial data from Kullander.

Makes me wonder if Rossi is really enriching in the traditional sense or because he doesn't completely understand the theory behind his reaction (e.g. the appearance of Fe and the assumption of Ni-62->Cu-63 and Ni-64->Cu65) he believes his preparation techniques are enhancing the reaction rates and therefore must be enhancing isotope levels.

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