Well that is merely your opinion.Well, sorry about that, but this is actually the first time you have asked me a simple question without trying to be polemic.
I'm glad that you feel you've managed to wrap that all up for us.
10KW LENR demonstrator (new thread)
As a product for the intended customer it makes sense if that's what the customer wanted. Given that the customer has changed, the idea that a 1MW device was a specific customer requirement seems a bit doubtful.Luzr wrote:1MW device makes no sense.
If you want to prove the e-cat is real, it is much easier to do it measuring smaller units.
As a demonstration it may also make sense...if for some reason a number of the E-Cats have turned out to be duds, and Rossi still isn't sure why some work and some don't. In that case redundancy would be beneficial.
And as a proof of concept, well, nobody has claimed to have demonstrated a 1MW LENR device before now.
Regarding the Mach (heh) truck analogy, the way I see it, Rossi has a truck, which he claims uses a new type of engine technology much more powerful than the internal combustion engine, in a launcher at the top of a small hill. Every time he conducts a demonstration he launches the truck down the hill and, when it reaches the bottom of the hill, it starts to climb up a high mountain. Nevertheless, for some reason he always stops the truck while it's still in the foothills of the mountain. A friend of a friend of his claims he made the truck reach the top of the mountain on one occasion, but nobody else saw it. Between the force of the launcher and the fact that Rossi doesn't allow anyone to look under the hood, it's not plainly apparent that the vehicle's operation is due to unconventional technology. Some people believe Rossi's claims, some people consider them unbelievable, and some people are just waiting for a satisfactory demonstration and/or explanation. It could hardly be otherwise.
My principal hope for the demonstration today is that it will be sufficient to swing opinion one way or the other. That, and that Rossi tells us more about what he thinks is going on and why. He's been working at this for nearly full time for four years. If he has a hypothesis, surely he has experimental data to back it up. The thing that has puzzled me since January is why Rossi solicits hypotheses from people who have none of his experimental data.
Temperature, density, confinement time: pick any two.
Sorry, in what way is debye relevant here?Giorgio wrote:Proton tunnelling should not be confused with proton ability to actually bypass the Debye limit and fuse with a target.icarus wrote:More grist for the mill ... proton tunnelling in a lattice
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/ar ... 6005008458
It is not relevant at all. I was reading a pdf about Debye limit in absence of magnetic field right before I wrote the post and I wrote Debye instead of Coulomb repulsion.KitemanSA wrote:Sorry, in what way is debye relevant here?Giorgio wrote:Proton tunnelling should not be confused with proton ability to actually bypass the Debye limit and fuse with a target.icarus wrote:More grist for the mill ... proton tunnelling in a lattice
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/ar ... 6005008458
Thanks for pointing it out.
News blackout until the test is over. Sounds like so far so good.
I just got back from my turn. I was able to shoot a few pictures and take some video. The reason for the embargo on taking photos was personnel reasons. They don't want the engineers and testers to be shown, to keep them confidential. The company doing the testing does not wish to be known at this time.
A quick comment from the AP writer who is here. The lack of coverage from the mainstream media is not due to lack of interest but from the lack of cooperation from Andrea Rossi. He has turned a lot of media away who have wanted to come in. The AP writer has gained Rossi's trust over time, and hence was invited to be here today.
Rossi will be sending us all the data this evening.
Wish I could say more, but it will have to wait. Great day so far.
-- SilverThunder 05:42, 28 October 2011 (PDT)
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Daniele Passerini has posted the following on Twitter.
"We just self-sustaining with a buffet!)"
It seems like the plant is in self sustain mode.
It would be nice if we could get hourly updates from Rossi.
Nocompromises 04:55, 28 October 2011 (PDT)
What no comments from those so certain this test would be much delayed or never take place?October 28, 2011
From Rossi's Journal of Nuclear Physics:
http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.c ... ent-105244
Andrea Rossi
October 28th, 2011
FIRST INFORMATION REGARDING THE 1 MW PLANT TEST:
WE STARTED REGULARLY THE TEST THIS MORNING . EVERYTHING IS GOING WELL SO FAR. THE 1 MW E-CAT IS WORKING IN SELF SUSTAINING.
TONIGHT I WILL PUBLISH THE NON SECRET REPORT THAT THE CUSTOMER WILL RELEASE.
WARM REGARDS, I HAVE TO RETURN TO THE PLANT. SORRY, I CANNOT ANSWER TO THE MANY COMMENTS I AM RECEIVING. I WILL PUBLISH THEM PROBABLY I WILL NEVER FIND THE TIME TO ANSWER.
WARMEST REGARDS TO ALL,
ANDREA ROSSI
--Francesco 09:13, 28 October 2011 (PDT)
AT least there should be speculation about time travel. How else could we be hearing about this now?
It would be nice to get a report or thirty from someone other than the promoter. I guess that since Rossi is a proven honest man we can just take his word for it.parallel wrote:What no comments from those so certain this test would be much delayed or never take place?October 28, 2011
From Rossi's Journal of Nuclear Physics:
http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.c ... ent-105244
Andrea Rossi
October 28th, 2011
FIRST INFORMATION REGARDING THE 1 MW PLANT TEST:
WE STARTED REGULARLY THE TEST THIS MORNING . EVERYTHING IS GOING WELL SO FAR. THE 1 MW E-CAT IS WORKING IN SELF SUSTAINING.
TONIGHT I WILL PUBLISH THE NON SECRET REPORT THAT THE CUSTOMER WILL RELEASE.
WARM REGARDS, I HAVE TO RETURN TO THE PLANT. SORRY, I CANNOT ANSWER TO THE MANY COMMENTS I AM RECEIVING. I WILL PUBLISH THEM PROBABLY I WILL NEVER FIND THE TIME TO ANSWER.
WARMEST REGARDS TO ALL,
ANDREA ROSSI
--Francesco 09:13, 28 October 2011 (PDT)
AT least there should be speculation about time travel. How else could we be hearing about this now?
Pictures would be nice.
Engineering is the art of making what you want from what you can get at a profit.
Secret engineers. Secret companies. Secret customers. Secret results.I just got back from my turn. I was able to shoot a few pictures and take some video. The reason for the embargo on taking photos was personnel reasons. They don't want the engineers and testers to be shown, to keep them confidential. The company doing the testing does not wish to be known at this time.
I have an opinion on all this but I am unable to give it to you. Its a secret.
Engineering is the art of making what you want from what you can get at a profit.
The climate "scientists" have succeeded in producing a climate of doubt in their work. An excellent result.Betruger wrote:The self righteous politicizing of this stupid catalyzer and its "inventor" is getting old. This thing is starting to be like climate "science".
They are still looking for the missing heat. Maybe they can advise Rossi.
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Sept 5 2011 wrote:Rossi device test in Bologna. Engineers representing third potential customer (investor John Preston) present. NASA staff also present. Test inconclusive; plumbing leak. (Demo #8)
There are conflicting stories from Rossi vs Investor and NASA staff. I can't wait for the next reports.Sept 6 2011 wrote:Rossi device test in Bologna. Engineers representing third potential customer (investor John Preston) present. NASA staff present. Test inconclusive; no outflow of steam or water. NASA asks if device has internal reservoir, Rossi becomes enrgaged, Prestons' engineers leave. NASA enginneers offer to come back in a few days after Rossi fixes flow. Rossi declines NASA offer, says he is too busy. (Demo #9)
That is impressive.parallel wrote:Simon,
Don't blame Rossi for the secrecy here. His client wants to be kept anonymous and I suppose if they are paying megabucks they can insist. Rossi says the report will be published tonight. That is much faster than for most tests.
You wanted a picture?
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