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by williatw
Sat Nov 26, 2011 12:50 am
Forum: General
Topic: Mars Colony financing
Replies: 78
Views: 33189

I'd be curious to see this $500k to the Moon estimate of Musks. You're sure that's not urban legend? Right now he's hoping to get $50M/ 7-man flight to LEO, or $700k@, just to go round trip to ISS or Bigelow's Space Bed 'n Breakfast. I can't see how he'll ever get the savings to go to Mars for less...
by williatw
Thu Nov 24, 2011 5:34 am
Forum: General
Topic: Mars Colony financing
Replies: 78
Views: 33189

Like I said, people need to stop pretending. If you want the average Joe to ever have a chance to get off this rock, it has to be using something vastly cheaper, safer, more convenient and more efficient than a reaction engine. I'm all for SpaceX and SeaLaunch lowering launch costs, but that sort o...
by williatw
Wed Nov 23, 2011 4:01 am
Forum: General
Topic: Mars Colony financing
Replies: 78
Views: 33189

I see that you didn't read and understand the full NASA spaceflight forum thread. The gist of the thread includes advances expected and efficiencies obtained from SpaceX, VASIMR and lunar derived fuel which could result in sweeping changes in space transportation costs. Also, remember, it is a lot ...
by williatw
Tue Nov 22, 2011 3:40 am
Forum: General
Topic: Mars Colony financing
Replies: 78
Views: 33189

THere's trillions of dollars of metals in the asteroid belt. Likely after space mining is established there would be analysis to find the new "precious" metals, and specie values would adjust accordingly. And when that happens...the advantage of being able to trade with Mars. No taxes few regulatio...
by williatw
Mon Nov 21, 2011 10:15 pm
Forum: General
Topic: Mars Colony financing
Replies: 78
Views: 33189

While you may be right, the catch it getting to Mars in the first place. Once you get there, set up your bank. Unfortunately for your bank, "The First Lunar Bank" may offer stiff competition. If your bank were "The Mars Branch of The First Lunar Bank" you wouldn't mind the competition so much. Yes,...
by williatw
Mon Nov 21, 2011 6:34 pm
Forum: General
Topic: Mars Colony financing
Replies: 78
Views: 33189

I'm suggesting gold as a reason to go to the moon, and lunar gold as a way to finance Mars. Yes and I am sure there is gold/platinum group metals/rare earths because of meteor strikes on Mars too. But I am thinking of something that would almost immediately be a money maker for Mars. It would take ...
by williatw
Sun Nov 20, 2011 9:55 pm
Forum: General
Topic: Mars Colony financing
Replies: 78
Views: 33189

Stephen Hawking: Time for Space Colonies to Save Humanity

http://www.examiner.com/space-news-in-h ... e-humanity

Sure Elon Musk would agree...gee if only there was a way to pay for them, say some way that would make money almost right away.
by williatw
Tue Nov 08, 2011 3:02 am
Forum: General
Topic: Mars Colony financing
Replies: 78
Views: 33189

A bank without recognized existence is going to have difficulty getting depositors' money in and out. Any colonization scheme dependent on ongoing financial relations with Earth is subject to the limits of whoever is willing to do business. Thinking that initially the "bank" would be known by a sel...
by williatw
Mon Nov 07, 2011 5:24 am
Forum: General
Topic: Mars Colony financing
Replies: 78
Views: 33189

Of course, all that said, and some lawyer will pull out an interpretation of some tax code and tort that allows sovereign claim to the money chain that got them there...and thus derive some sort of soverign claim to the presence... :? He would have to first be able to trace the money to mars and to...
by williatw
Mon Nov 07, 2011 5:02 am
Forum: General
Topic: Mars Colony financing
Replies: 78
Views: 33189

It does beg an interesting question. If a private group pulls enough resources together and gets themselves to Mars and subsequently claims themselves as the "Republic of Mars". Hmmm. Given that there are probably 1.5 states with the resources to argue the point...they may actually pull it off. Onc...
by williatw
Sun Nov 06, 2011 7:14 pm
Forum: General
Topic: Mars Colony financing
Replies: 78
Views: 33189

I think that once we have cheap access to LEO, we should first focus on establishing a space infrastructure with stations and bases in LEO, L- point and on the moon. Then make plans on how to terraform mars. I have had some ideas about that (for a scifi novel I would love to write one day). Or do b...
by williatw
Sun Nov 06, 2011 8:08 am
Forum: General
Topic: Mars Colony financing
Replies: 78
Views: 33189

Yeah but Mars is 6months to a year away...not hours away like a inflatable bigelow space station in earth orbit. Or two days away like the moon. By the time some gov decides to act there could be thousands of Mars colonists, good luck finding the server/cpu with the encrypted data on the depositors...
by williatw
Sun Nov 06, 2011 6:59 am
Forum: General
Topic: Mars Colony financing
Replies: 78
Views: 33189

Wouldn't have to follow any Earth side laws, until some government decided a military operation was worth the trouble. An independent operator can't afford to make too big a nuisance of themselves. Expect governments to find ways to tax investments grown outside their jurisdiction when they're brou...
by williatw
Sat Nov 05, 2011 11:36 pm
Forum: General
Topic: Mars Colony financing
Replies: 78
Views: 33189

Mars Colony financing

Elon Musk said elsewhere that he thinks that 500K a ticket is the price for being able to send people to Mars privately at a profit. He said that he thinks that there are at least 8000 and probably very many more willing/able to pay. Let assume he is right. How would the colony make money? How about...
by williatw
Sun Oct 02, 2011 12:36 am
Forum: General
Topic: The Democrat's 2012 Victory Plan
Replies: 97
Views: 25636

An earlier poster mentioned that cigarette smoking has been on the decline. Probably mostly because of the massive propaganda campaign against the dangers of smoking, even though cigarettes are still cheap(like alcohol) and legal. Consumption of hard liquor is similarly down, with beer and wine maki...