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Extraterrestrial colony companies

Postby kunkmiester » Mon Oct 03, 2016 1:40 am

With Musk’s recent releases we are ending up in some interesting circumstances. The development of the infrastructure is coming to the point where it's not a matter if, it's a matter of when. That when is becoming more accurate too, with the 2040s dates looking likely short of nuclear war or some such.

With 20 to 30 years to go, we are at an interesting financial situation too. Most people with a larger paycheck capable of managing their money well could have the 500,000 dollars Musk is looking at as the price of immigration by the time the rockets make their first flights. A lot of others could have enough to make “steerage” tickets an attractive offering. Put simply, now is a good time to charter a colony company.

This round of colonization will have little in common with past efforts however. For one, the trip will almost definitely be one way, and unlike Virginian tobacco or West Indies sugar, there is basically nothing to ship back, which means the sole purpose of the colony is settlement. The only money the domestic branch can expect is that raised by colonists.

There are three basic purposes for a colony company at this point. First is the money. Half a million is a lot, and with judicious management can pull well above its weight. If you have at least 100 colonists, that's 50 million. While most will be held in escrow for later use, some will be used as a slush fund to invest in technologies that still need to be developed and thus advance the goal of setting up the colony.

The company maintains the charter. Some of the political divides in this country are as bad as or worse than the religious divides from the 1500s and 1600s that led to a lot of the initial colonization of the Americas. People of lime mind will flock together and the company will draw them together for unity. The companies would also serve as a point of contact and reassurance through legal questions of colonization that are just starting to crop up. Some of it is absurd, but lobbying and public relations are important.

Plenty to discuss, but let's start now. You don't even need money yet-- just start a free internet forum to get your crew together and start talking. When we have groups with money to drop, things will get sporty.
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Re: Extraterrestrial colony companies

Postby williatw » Mon Oct 03, 2016 4:29 am

kunkmiester wrote:This round of colonization will have little in common with past efforts however. For one, the trip will almost definitely be one way, and unlike Virginian tobacco or West Indies sugar, there is basically nothing to ship back, which means the sole purpose of the colony is settlement. The only money the domestic branch can expect is that raised by colonists.


Except for one potential "product"; more like a service a private independent politically & legally from earth entity can only provide:


The "Bank of Mars" of course:


Mars Colony financing


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Re: Extraterrestrial colony companies

Postby hanelyp » Mon Oct 03, 2016 5:44 pm

A question I've asked before, what use is an independent Bank of Mars if Earthside would be business partners are prohibited from doing business with it? Or killed by punitive tariffs?
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Re: Extraterrestrial colony companies

Postby williatw » Mon Oct 03, 2016 8:01 pm

hanelyp wrote:A question I've asked before, what use is an independent Bank of Mars if Earthside would be business partners are prohibited from doing business with it? Or killed by punitive tariffs?

No good...if the tariffs/injunctions against doing business were truly global in scope; not just the US. Also if there really were 100's of billions or trillions of dollars invested in the mars colony at some point (officially the "investments" would be called money donated to the mars colony) many countries would likely decide they couldn't afford not to do business with them. That is allot of potential investment dollars you would be passing on; to say nothing of all the supplies/equipment the now expanding colony would be importing from earth. The mars colony lets you make donations to them it is just that you are allowed to withdraw said donations; whatever "interest" you allegedly have earned would be confidential between you and the colony (no. of shares you have, share price). And of course the bank of mars would have lobbyists back on earth arguing for their economic/political freedom.

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Re: Extraterrestrial colony companies

Postby williatw » Fri Aug 10, 2018 11:22 am

Opinion: Jeff Bezos shoots for the moon


Sounds like something the late J.E. Pournelle said first back in the late '70's; wouldn't be at all surprised if Bezos read "A step Further Out":

"The Earth is not a very good place to do heavy industry,” he said in an interview with GeekWire, insinuating it should be relocated to the moon. Earth will be zoned for residential and light industrial use, while heavy industry will be moved off-planet and powered by 24/7 solar power, he said to the interviewer. “In the not-too-distant future — I’m talking decades, maybe 100 years — it’ll start to be easier to do a lot of the things that we currently do on Earth in space ... because we’ll have so much energy."



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This man has big plans for the moon.


When Barack Obama was president, NASA’s sights were firmly set on conquering Mars.

President Trump’s new team has other priorities, and they’re taking shape in a series of partnerships with private companies to colonize the moon. Before we can inhabit Earth’s only satellite, quite a few steps need to be taken, the first of which is figuring out how to transport equipment up there. NASA wants a commercial company to help achieve that goal, and Amazon is a likely candidate.

At the beginning of May, NASA announced it would like to sign up with a company to help transport equipment to the moon. A few weeks later, Amazon.com AMZN, -0.24% CEO Jeff Bezos, the richest person in the world, outlined his goal of setting up a lunar settlement via Blue Origin — the aerospace manufacturer and spaceflight-services company he owns.

Coincidence? Not really. A Washington Post article uncovered a “proprietary and confidential” white paper that shows Blue Origin’s “interest in developing a lunar spacecraft with a lander that would touch down near a crater at the South Pole where there is water and nearly continuous sunlight for solar energy.”

“The [document] urges the space agency to back an Amazon-like shipment service for the moon that would deliver gear for experiments, cargo and habitats by mid-2020, helping to enable “future human settlement of the moon,” according to the Washington Post article.


Before we can establish a settlement there, Bezos believes we should first do something about the Earth’s heavy industry.


Relocating to the moon

“The Earth is not a very good place to do heavy industry,” he said in an interview with GeekWire, insinuating it should be relocated to the moon. Earth will be zoned for residential and light industrial use, while heavy industry will be moved off-planet and powered by 24/7 solar power, he said to the interviewer. “In the not-too-distant future — I’m talking decades, maybe 100 years — it’ll start to be easier to do a lot of the things that we currently do on Earth in space ... because we’ll have so much energy.”

At this point it’s quite clear his goal is for Blue Origin to transport goods to the moon. Once Blue Origin produces an unmanned lunar spacecraft, the vehicle will carry up to 10,000 pounds of cargo to the moon’s surface and support NASA’s activities in cislunar space. Bezos proposes that the first mission be a 2020 lunar South Pole landing.

Cost constraints

Before that can happen, the cost of frequent space travel needs to be reduced, and Blue Origin is already on it. The company is optimizing performance of its New Shepard recyclable rocket, especially its thruster system, which will enable a landing on the lunar surface. While New Shepard’s purpose is to fly passengers to space as early as the end of this year, Blue Origin’s other rocket is being developed with a far loftier goal. As the company’s website puts it: “New Glenn [the rocket] is a major step toward achieving our vision of millions of people living and working in space. ... New Glenn will carry people and payloads routinely to Earth orbit.”

Having said all this, a partnership with NASA, although likely, doesn’t yet exist in any formal way. But that won’t stop Bezos, who said Blue Origin will develop its lander “even if NASA doesn’t do it.”

“We’ll do it eventually. We can do it a lot faster through a partnership,” Bezos said.

Finally, Blue Origin isn’t the only company looking for a piece of space action. As the space race intensifies, we can expect even more privately owned companies to lend NASA a hand, as well as come up with their own solutions that could facilitate space travel.

In a few (dozen) decades, we might be able to order products from the Moon Colonies, and Space Amazon will deliver them to our doorstep via its space drone delivery service. I need to know one thing, though.




https://www.marketwatch.com/story/jeff- ... 2018-08-10
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Re: Extraterrestrial colony companies

Postby paperburn1 » Fri Aug 10, 2018 4:35 pm

I think BEZO,s main problem is he is stuck on the "Starship luxurious mindset. :D
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