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Re: Crime and Punishment: Oklahoma (& Texas) style!

Postby choff » Fri May 25, 2018 3:33 am

Probably shop teacher gets the Desert Eagle. :D
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Re: Crime and Punishment: Oklahoma (& Texas) style!

Postby Diogenes » Fri May 25, 2018 2:50 pm


Pistol-toting bystander shoots and kills gunman who opened fire on packed Oklahoma restaurant and injured mother, her daughter, 12, and another girl, 14, in terrifying birthday party mass shooting



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An armed passerby has shot dead a gunman who opened fire on a packed Oklahoma restaurant in a terrifying shooting which left a woman and two children injured.

The shooter, a white male who was wearing eye glasses and ear protection at the time, was confronted by a person standing outside the restaurant as he tried to flee, and shot dead.

He was the only person killed in the shooting, which left four in hospital, and Police Captain Bo Matthews told reporters the armed civilian was 'a blessing'.


Police have said today they have no reason to believe this is a terrorist type of incident', and that the motive was unclear.

The man, who has not been identified, began shooting at random inside Louie's Grill and Bar about 6.30pm.

He struck mother-of-two Natalie Will and her 12-year-old daughter Niah as they were walking inside for the woman's eldest daughter Shayla's 14th birthday celebrations. Another 14-year-old girl named Alex, Shayla's best friend, was also shot.

Natalie was shot in the arm, and Niah was shot in her tailbone, but the bullet traveled to her stomach.

Natalie's sister Leslie said on Facebook both were in a stable condition, and Niah was taken into surgery, which 'went well'.



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... urant.html


I and my associates did quite a lot to get Oklahoma's concealed carry law passed and signed by Governor Keating. I am quite satisfied that it has been of great benefit to the state.
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Re: Crime and Punishment: Oklahoma (& Texas) style!

Postby choff » Tue Jun 12, 2018 5:13 pm

One of the leading causes of the drug epidemic, suicide epidemic, homelessness, incarceration for crime in general.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Le0-eax ... e=youtu.be

Quite literally, if a man fails to pay alimony and child support, he goes to jail. More often than not, the only way to afford alimony and child support is to commit crimes. He commits crimes, he goes to jail. Damned if he does, damned if he doesn't. There was literally one family court judge who told a divorced man, "I don't care how you get the money, just make sure you get it," right after the man told him there was no legally economic way he could make the payments.
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Re: Crime and Punishment: Oklahoma (& Texas) style!

Postby williatw » Tue Aug 14, 2018 2:01 pm

The Best Handgun Caliber - A Real World Study

Published on May 24, 2018


This video uses the data from Greg Ellifritz's 10-year stopping power study of real-world gun fights to shed the light of actual data on several common beliefs about handgun calibers including: 22 rifles are the best bug out guns, 45s have the best stopping power, 380s are too small to be effective, 410 guns are gimmicks, and more.

Here is the link to the original data and study by Ellifritz:
http://www.activeresponsetraining.net...








https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nycYxb-zNwc

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Re: Crime and Punishment: Oklahoma (& Texas) style!

Postby ladajo » Wed Aug 15, 2018 11:41 pm

For shotgun lethality, #1 or #2 shot tends to do better in tactical usage. This is mostly due to holding a tighter pattern at tactical ranges over #00. In close, #00 hits harder, and quickly degrades as distance goes up. Hot load .45 has always been a personal favorite, such as what we used in the Mk.23s. The downside is the weapon size and mass. With suppression, it was fondly known as the semi-automatic crew served handgun given it's ridiculous size.
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Re: Crime and Punishment: Oklahoma (& Texas) style!

Postby williatw » Thu Aug 16, 2018 8:31 am

ladajo wrote:For shotgun lethality, #1 or #2 shot tends to do better in tactical usage. This is mostly due to holding a tighter pattern at tactical ranges over #00. In close, #00 hits harder, and quickly degrades as distance goes up. Hot load .45 has always been a personal favorite, such as what we used in the Mk.23s. The downside is the weapon size and mass. With suppression, it was fondly known as the semi-automatic crew served handgun given it's ridiculous size.


I think the most interesting part of my posted link was where it said that there was very little difference in what he referred to as one shot stops (percentage where a hit any where on the body) stopped an assailant's attack. That is the likelihood that the hit would end the assailant's attack varied little between the most commonly used pistol calibers, i.e. 380,38, 9mm, 40 or 45 caliber all scored about the same. The only significant difference was observed with the 357; which did score noticeably higher. It did say avoid the "mouse guns"; that is calibers smaller than 380 like 22, 25 or 32 calibers but other than that little difference. It attributed that I believe to the realization that apparently people tend to break off the attack when successfully shot regardless of the difference between said most commonly used pistol calibers.

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Re: Crime and Punishment: Oklahoma (& Texas) style!

Postby ladajo » Thu Aug 16, 2018 12:41 pm

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Re: Crime and Punishment: Oklahoma (& Texas) style!

Postby ladajo » Thu Aug 16, 2018 12:42 pm

The biggest fault I saw in the work was no accounting for experience / training levels of the operators, either in mass or by weapon type. Novices tend to move towards certain weapons in my experience. Cost being one of the larger factors. Additionally, while he touched on round types, he did not really go into it. It was more or less assumed, as things appeared, that ball ammo was the norm. Again, this is a factor driven by experience and training levels in my opinion. He also did not take into account ranges really at all. Some weapons are total crap at any distance beyond a few yards (for various reasons), while most pistol incidents tend to occur at 2 yards or less. Where they are longer, the operator, weapon, and round choice really kick in to drive the outcome. I understand that doing multiple regression was not his intent, nor did he probably have enough data to do so.
I do agree, at the end of the day, getting hit with any round is not a pleasant experience, and that real world data and other studies bear out that two hits tend to be the break point on suppression.
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Re: Crime and Punishment: Oklahoma (& Texas) style!

Postby williatw » Sat Aug 18, 2018 2:24 pm

New Study: 17.25 million concealed handgun permits, biggest increases for women and minorities

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The CPRC has just issued our newest annual report on the number of concealed handgun permits in the US. A copy of the report is available for download here. Some updated numbers are shown at the bottom of this post. Past reports can be viewed here.


The executive summary is shown here:


Despite the expectations of many after the 2016 elections, the number of concealed handgun permits has again increased. In 2018, the number of concealed handgun permits soared to now over 17.25 million – a 273% increase since 2007. 7.14% of American adults have permits. Unlike surveys that may be affected by people’s unwillingness to answer some personal questions, concealed handgun permit data is the only really “hard data” that we have on gun ownership across the United States. Still, an even larger number of people carry because in 14 states people don’t need a permit to carry in all or virtually all those states.

Among the findings of our report:
•Last year, despite the common perception that growth in the number of permit holders would stop after the 2016 election, the number of permits grew by about 890,000.
•Outside the restrictive states of California and New York, about 8.63% of the adult population has a permit.
•In fifteen states, more than 10% of adults have permits, up from just eleven last year.
•Alabama has the highest rate — 22.1%. Indiana is second with 17.9%, and South Dakota is a close third with 17.2%.
•Four states now have over 1 million permit holders: Florida, Georgia, Pennsylvania, and Texas.
•Another 14 states have adopted constitutional carry in all or almost all of their state, meaning that a permit is no longer required. However, because of these constitutional carry states, the nationwide growth in permits does not paint a full picture of the overall increase in concealed carry.
•Permits continued to grow much faster for women and minorities. Between 2012 and 2018, the percent of women with permits grew 111% faster for women and the percent of blacks with permits grew 20% faster than for whites. Permits for Asians grew 29% faster than for whites.
•Concealed handgun permit holders are extremely law-abiding. In Florida and Texas, permit holders are convicted of misdemeanors and felonies at one-sixth of the rate at which police officers are convicted.

The report is available to be downloaded here.


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https://crimeresearch.org/2018/08/new-s ... inorities/

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Re: Crime and Punishment: Oklahoma (& Texas) style!

Postby choff » Sun Aug 19, 2018 1:44 am

williatw wrote:New Study: 17.25 million concealed handgun permits, biggest increases for women and minorities

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The CPRC has just issued our newest annual report on the number of concealed handgun permits in the US. A copy of the report is available for download here. Some updated numbers are shown at the bottom of this post. Past reports can be viewed here.


The executive summary is shown here:


Despite the expectations of many after the 2016 elections, the number of concealed handgun permits has again increased. In 2018, the number of concealed handgun permits soared to now over 17.25 million – a 273% increase since 2007. 7.14% of American adults have permits. Unlike surveys that may be affected by people’s unwillingness to answer some personal questions, concealed handgun permit data is the only really “hard data” that we have on gun ownership across the United States. Still, an even larger number of people carry because in 14 states people don’t need a permit to carry in all or virtually all those states.

Among the findings of our report:
•Last year, despite the common perception that growth in the number of permit holders would stop after the 2016 election, the number of permits grew by about 890,000.
•Outside the restrictive states of California and New York, about 8.63% of the adult population has a permit.
•In fifteen states, more than 10% of adults have permits, up from just eleven last year.
•Alabama has the highest rate — 22.1%. Indiana is second with 17.9%, and South Dakota is a close third with 17.2%.
•Four states now have over 1 million permit holders: Florida, Georgia, Pennsylvania, and Texas.
•Another 14 states have adopted constitutional carry in all or almost all of their state, meaning that a permit is no longer required. However, because of these constitutional carry states, the nationwide growth in permits does not paint a full picture of the overall increase in concealed carry.
•Permits continued to grow much faster for women and minorities. Between 2012 and 2018, the percent of women with permits grew 111% faster for women and the percent of blacks with permits grew 20% faster than for whites. Permits for Asians grew 29% faster than for whites.
•Concealed handgun permit holders are extremely law-abiding. In Florida and Texas, permit holders are convicted of misdemeanors and felonies at one-sixth of the rate at which police officers are convicted.

The report is available to be downloaded here.


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https://crimeresearch.org/2018/08/new-s ... inorities/


Imagine how Cologne would have gone down if all those women were doing concealed carry.
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