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The State Of Policing In America

Postby MSimon » Wed Feb 13, 2013 7:42 am

http://www.volokh.com/2013/02/11/the-wa ... ice-raids/

Deroy Murdock has an interesting National Review column describing the rise of abusive, military-style police raids:

Overarmed federal officials increasingly employ military tactics as a first resort in routine law enforcement. From food-safety cases to mundane financial matters, battle-ready public employees are turning America into the United States of SWAT.

FBI agents and U.S. marshals understandably are well fortified, given their frequent run-ins with ruthless bad guys. However ... armed officers, if not Special Weapons and Tactics crews, populate these federal agencies: the National Park Service; the Postal Inspection Service; the Departments of Health and Human Services, Agriculture, Labor, and Veterans Affairs; the Bureaus of Land Management and Indian Affairs; the Environmental Protection Agency; and the Fish and Wildlife Service. Even Small Business Administration and Railroad Retirement Board staffers pack heat!

These “ninja bureaucrats,” as [Quin] Hillyer calls them, run rampant. They, and often their local-government counterparts, deploy weapons against harmless, frequently innocent, Americans who typically are accused of non-violent civil or administrative violations.

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Links at the link.

One raid described in the article is just what I used to see in anti-Nazi films growing up in the 50s.

What has amazed me is that the first person to take offense and take up arms against this sort of policing was an ex-policeman.

http://www.dailypundit.com/police-state ... -long-time

and:

http://www.dailypundit.com/liberal-fasc ... lice-state

http://youtu.be/fiY-q6Wafgg

http://www.dethguild.com/oh-snap-shit-j ... -real-son/

http://hotair.com/archives/2013/02/10/d ... /#comments

http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=217285

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-02-1 ... os-angeles

http://www.dailypundit.com/law/is-viole ... nny-insane

http://freedomguide.blogspot.com/2013/0 ... orner.html

The end of Dorner: http://nicedoggie.net/?p=7650#comment-33857

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I really wonder what will happen when the gun prohibitionist try to come after the guns.
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Re: The State Of Policing In America

Postby MSimon » Wed Feb 13, 2013 7:46 am

http://nicedoggie.net/?p=7650#comment-33857

“I think everyone knew how this would end. This is a classic case of evil on wicked. The Ouroboros.”

“More importantly, what this does is utterly shatter any illusions of infallibility and invulnerability enjoyed and propagated by some very corrupt enforcers, and the federal government who feeds them. The cops behaved just as wretchedly as Dorner – the only difference, as far as I am concerned, is they were significantly worse shots.”

“When you look at the resources one guy consumed, it becomes patently frick clear how utterly screwed the tyrants and their thugs are if they get uppity – so long as we the people hold into our weapons. Chris Dorner inflicted unsustainable damage, and consider this… he called his shots. A squad or even multiple lone wolves would have turned LA into a riot-zone in short order, and they’d have been helped along every step of the way the police overreactions.”

“You better believe there is a hell of a lot to learn from all of this. That fact does not make Dorner virtuous, or anything beyond a murdering shitbag, still, it contains a great many lessons with regards to how our self appointed masters – and their enforcers – react when “shit-gets-real.”

“What we can take away from all of this:”

“1: Public order goes right out the window when the thugs are in danger – they will abandon any pretense of safeguarding society, and concoct a horseshit, fabricated narrative afterwards to cover their ass.”

“2: Your constitutional rights are shit, and will be trampled on without a moment of hesitation, remorse, or afterthought on the part of the enforcers. What the frick do they care if the city get sued for four million Bernanke-bucks?”

“3: Human life and your property mean shit to them – the goons will ice anything that spooks‘em, and not care. They will sleep like lambs after shooting Jane-six-pack, kicking in doors, ransacking a place, or riddling random trucks with enough copper jacketed Gold Dot to re-surface the statue of liberty.”

“4: Scare them enough, and they’ll turn the people against’em with their overreaches, brutality, and flagrant disregard for anything that’s not a card carrying member of publicly-sanctioned street gang. The idiot cops darn near succeeded in turning a murderer into a local celebrity, and it was entirely due to their jack-boot-thug-like behavior.”

“5: Frighten the bouncers enough, and they will throw all that happy horse-shit about “trials” and “upholding the law” right out the window. They’ll appoint themselves judge, jury, and executioner. Everybody knew Dorner was coming back in a black bag no matter what.”

“6: The stormtroopers see themselves as above the “public” they are supposed to protect. Not as a piece of, or an integral cog, but as superior to other components. This narcissism allows them to justify destroying property, shooting innocents, and pissing all over the same laws they’d throw your ass in a cage for breaking.”

“Yeah. Lots to learn here. Hitler taught us a lot too. That don’t mean I “liked him,” or “supported his evil. It just means what the monster did was something that a wise person learns something from.”

“He’s [Dormer] crushed whatever shreds of credibility and legitimacy the LAPD had left.”

“No. Let me rephrase that. He gave them enough rope to hang themselves. And they gleefully did, one wounded innocent, one blasted up truck, and one kicked-in door at a time. Christopher Lee Dorner proved that if you rattle the LA Police up, they are no better than him, and in doing so he destroyed their moral authority completely.”

“He pulled a Joker-gambit on them. And it worked.”

“The damage done by this one man was catastrophic, and worse, he scared the LAPD so badly they completely forsook any pretense of protecting the public, and made it perfectly clear that Dorner’s bad apple didn’t fall very far from the rotten tree.”

“Rot begets rot, and it was the innocents that suffered most from this.”
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Re: The State Of Policing In America

Postby choff » Thu Feb 14, 2013 5:15 am

In the last days of the Western Roman Empire taxation took the form of the Emperors soldiers launching night raids on peoples farms, killing the families or arresting them on trumpted up charges then forcing them to die in the coliseum. Stealing the possessions and savings, then using the proceeds to invest in the Eastern Roman Empire and it's fratricidal war with Parthia, these days it's called asset stripping and offshoring.

The parallels are starting to emerge.
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Re: The State Of Policing In America

Postby choff » Thu Feb 14, 2013 5:59 am

This is probably a stupid question, I know that lone Rambo's get killed, but are they 100% he didn't use a stand in corpse in the fire. This guy had a lot of training, could still be out there.
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Re: The State Of Policing In America

Postby paperburn1 » Thu Feb 14, 2013 2:09 pm

choff wrote:This is probably a stupid question, I know that lone Rambo's get killed, but are they 100% he didn't use a stand in corpse in the fire. This guy had a lot of training, could still be out there.

This guys reputation in the press is far bigger than what is real world. The only thing for certain is they wanted him dead. Dead to the point they ambushed two women delivering newspapers that were driving the same type truck he was seen with.
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Re: The State Of Policing In America

Postby Diogenes » Thu Feb 14, 2013 2:44 pm

choff wrote:In the last days of the Western Roman Empire taxation took the form of the Emperors soldiers launching night raids on peoples farms, killing the families or arresting them on trumpted up charges then forcing them to die in the coliseum. Stealing the possessions and savings, then using the proceeds to invest in the Eastern Roman Empire and it's fratricidal war with Parthia, these days it's called asset stripping and offshoring.

The parallels are starting to emerge.



I have been arguing for quite some time that we are seeing events which are similar to what happened when Rome was collapsing. "Bread and Circuses" has become Welfare and Television.


It is the same concept, and the same result will occur.
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Re: The State Of Policing In America

Postby Stubby » Thu Feb 14, 2013 3:11 pm

paperburn1 wrote:
choff wrote:This is probably a stupid question, I know that lone Rambo's get killed, but are they 100% he didn't use a stand in corpse in the fire. This guy had a lot of training, could still be out there.

This guys reputation in the press is far bigger than what is real world. The only thing for certain is they wanted him dead. Dead to the point they ambushed two women delivering newspapers that were driving the same type truck he was seen with.


As I heard someone say, the guy was not the brightest bulb. A large black man trying to hide in a luxury ski resort area. It was said in jest but true nonetheless.
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Re: The State Of Policing In America

Postby ladajo » Thu Feb 14, 2013 3:13 pm

paperburn1 wrote:
choff wrote:This is probably a stupid question, I know that lone Rambo's get killed, but are they 100% he didn't use a stand in corpse in the fire. This guy had a lot of training, could still be out there.

This guys reputation in the press is far bigger than what is real world. The only thing for certain is they wanted him dead. Dead to the point they ambushed two women delivering newspapers that were driving the same type truck he was seen with.



Fully agree.
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Re: The State Of Policing In America

Postby Stubby » Thu Feb 14, 2013 3:41 pm

paperburn1 wrote:
choff wrote:This is probably a stupid question, I know that lone Rambo's get killed, but are they 100% he didn't use a stand in corpse in the fire. This guy had a lot of training, could still be out there.

This guys reputation in the press is far bigger than what is real world. The only thing for certain is they wanted him dead. Dead to the point they ambushed two women delivering newspapers that were driving the same type truck he was seen with.


Gonna be expensive.
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Re: The State Of Policing In America

Postby Diogenes » Thu Feb 14, 2013 4:31 pm

Stubby wrote:
paperburn1 wrote:
choff wrote:This is probably a stupid question, I know that lone Rambo's get killed, but are they 100% he didn't use a stand in corpse in the fire. This guy had a lot of training, could still be out there.

This guys reputation in the press is far bigger than what is real world. The only thing for certain is they wanted him dead. Dead to the point they ambushed two women delivering newspapers that were driving the same type truck he was seen with.


Gonna be expensive.



People who work for government (in this case the police) don't normally care how expensive is their mistakes to the government. They normally care about whether or not they get what they want.

There is often no personal cost to them for their blunders. (i.e. no functional negative feedback system to regulate their behavior.)
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Re: The State Of Policing In America

Postby williatw » Thu Feb 14, 2013 4:45 pm

choff wrote:In the last days of the Western Roman Empire taxation took the form of the Emperors soldiers launching night raids on peoples farms, killing the families or arresting them on trumpted up charges then forcing them to die in the coliseum. Stealing the possessions and savings, then using the proceeds to invest in the Eastern Roman Empire and it's fratricidal war with Parthia, these days it's called asset stripping and offshoring.

The parallels are starting to emerge.



Well as I have said I think that forfeiture of assets will be the thing that finally ends the failed social experiment of the war on drugs. The one good thing about our pending bankruptcy is that it will also hopefully end foreign interventionism. Europe(east and west), Turkey, Israel, Australia, Japan, Taiwan, Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Afghanistan, etc. will just have to fend for themselves for a while. Maybe that will get us closer to what George Washington warning us about avoiding "entangling alliances".

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Postby MSimon » Thu Feb 14, 2013 5:11 pm

williatw wrote:
choff wrote:In the last days of the Western Roman Empire taxation took the form of the Emperors soldiers launching night raids on peoples farms, killing the families or arresting them on trumpted up charges then forcing them to die in the coliseum. Stealing the possessions and savings, then using the proceeds to invest in the Eastern Roman Empire and it's fratricidal war with Parthia, these days it's called asset stripping and offshoring.

The parallels are starting to emerge.



Well as I have said I think that forfeiture of assets will be the thing that finally ends the failed social experiment of the war on drugs. The one good thing about our pending bankruptcy is that it will also hopefully end foreign interventionism. Europe(east and west), Turkey, Israel, Australia, Japan, Taiwan, Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Afghanistan, etc. will just have to fend for themselves for a while. Maybe that will get us closer to what George Washington warning us about avoiding "entangling alliances".


Well that or a World War.

Prohibitions engender police corruption. Look up "alcohol prohibition police corruption". Once you get in the corruption habit for prohibition crimes it spreads. Look up ""testilying".

And of course in preparation for alcohol prohibition the income tax was required. Why? The Federal government got significant revenues from alcohol taxes.
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Re: The State Of Policing In America

Postby williatw » Thu Feb 14, 2013 5:47 pm

MSimon wrote:Well that or a World War.

Prohibitions engender police corruption. Look up "alcohol prohibition police corruption". Once you get in the corruption habit for prohibition crimes it spreads. Look up ""testilying".

And of course in preparation for alcohol prohibition the income tax was required. Why? The Federal government got significant revenues from alcohol taxes.


Well we are going bankrupt MSimon. I hope a world war won't be the result, but don't see how we can avoid slashing defense. Yes I know the lion's share of what's causing our debt problems is entitlements not defense. But elderly white tea partiers are not going to support mass slashing of Medicare/SS, no matter how much they talk about wanting to reduce "spending". The will simply refuse to accept that it is necessary; "spending" in their minds means something else. They are in complete denial about what that spending is, as a consequence we are going bankrupt. Better to pull out of those afore mentioned countries now, try to save what we can at home then continue manning these garrisons until financial collapse in a few years forces us to leave anyway. The world will just have to cope for a while without us, someone else will have to step up to the plate (or not). And hopefully end that odious war on drugs to boot.

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Postby MSimon » Thu Feb 14, 2013 5:58 pm

williatw wrote:
MSimon wrote:Well that or a World War.

Prohibitions engender police corruption. Look up "alcohol prohibition police corruption". Once you get in the corruption habit for prohibition crimes it spreads. Look up ""testilying".

And of course in preparation for alcohol prohibition the income tax was required. Why? The Federal government got significant revenues from alcohol taxes.


Well we are going bankrupt MSimon. I hope a world war won't be the result, but don't see how we can avoid slashing defense. Yes I know the lion's share of what's causing our debt problems is entitlements not defense. But elderly white tea partiers are not going to support mass slashing of Medicare/SS, no matter how much they talk about wanting to reduce "spending". The will simply refuse to accept that it is necessary; "spending" in their minds means something else. They are in complete denial about what that spending is, as a consequence we are going bankrupt. Better to pull out of those afore mentioned countries now, try to save what we can at home then continue manning these garrisons until financial collapse in a few years forces us to leave anyway. The world will just have to cope for a while without us, someone else will have to step up to the plate (or not). And hopefully end that odious war on drugs to boot.


Actually if entitlements were ended for new entrants and the government sold land every year to pay for those already enrolled no cuts would be required.
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Re: The State Of Policing In America

Postby hanelyp » Thu Feb 14, 2013 6:04 pm

williatw wrote:Well as I have said I think that forfeiture of assets will be the thing that finally ends the failed social experiment of the war on drugs.

I believe that without the war on drugs they'd just find some other excuse for unconstitutional forfeiture of assets. According to http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2203713 and other sources, there is an abundance of laws they could turn against you if they take a mind to.
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