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Postby CaptainBeowulf » Thu Dec 16, 2010 12:33 am

No, I know there was a Croatian "state" on the side of Nazi Germany. It's commonly viewed as a puppet state of Germany. The Communist partisans would have viewed the fascist Croatian state's war crimes as partly attributable to Germany (which, given the fact that the fascist Croats were being equipped by Germany, would have a logic to it), partly attributable to the Croatians. I said "Yugoslavs" as a way of summarizing the south slavs killed by the fascist forces in Yugoslavia in WWII.

Of course, the Communist partisans would have killed a lot of people whom they saw as pro-fascist Croatians, but there would also have been Croatians amongst the Communist partisans. I think it can be summarized by saying that atrocities were committed by all of the combatant groups in eastern Europe and the Balkans during WWII.

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Postby CaptainBeowulf » Thu Dec 16, 2010 1:51 am

Skipjack, sorry you got emotional over the EU... I would have been interested to hear your perspective on the bureaucrats in Brussels and Strasbourg, the current problems with the Mediterranean countries, and whether the eastern countries are trying to bootstrap themselves up along with the western aid.

My comment on the eastern countries is to keep in mind that they were victimized by the Soviets too. Except in the former Yugoslavia, the expulsion/killing of Germans was orchestrated by the Soviets in 1945. The Soviets also expelled other ethnic groups from where they were living, and committed atrocities on them as well (In the capital of Estonia, Tallinn, the statue of the Soviet soldier erected in the centre of the city was colloquially known as "the great rapist." In another example, Tito's envoy to Stalin in WWII, Milovan Djilas, complained that Soviet troops started raping female partisans when they met up with them in late 1944 - Stalin said that his troops were "just having a bit of fun" and refused to do anything about it, or even apologize). 2. The Soviets screwed up badly in the entire eastern bloc, and it has all needed a lot of reconstruction... West Germany even had to spend a huge amount on East Germany, which was supposed to be a Communist showcase. The eastern half of Europe was subjected to several years of Nazi atrocities, then a few years of Soviet atrocities, then four more decades of oppressive Soviet rule interspersed with atrocities when they tried to revolt (like Hungary in 1956 or Czechoslovakia in 1968).

Anyway, we can leave the EU discussion for another time then.

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Postby rjaypeters » Thu Dec 16, 2010 7:51 am

Skipjack,
I say, post the rant on this thread or another. Your readers will certainly learning something from your perspective.
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Postby rjaypeters » Thu Dec 16, 2010 4:11 pm

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