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Considering Defkalion got their "tech" from Rossiclown, it would seem to be a case of pot meets kettle.
Wasn't there a Fabio Penon that did "validation" for Rossiclown back in the day? Like 2011 or so???
The name now seems really familiar as I think about it.
Anyone?
Wasn't there a Fabio Penon that did "validation" for Rossiclown back in the day? Like 2011 or so???
The name now seems really familiar as I think about it.
Anyone?
The development of atomic power, though it could confer unimaginable blessings on mankind, is something that is dreaded by the owners of coal mines and oil wells. (Hazlitt)
What I want to do is to look up C. . . . I call him the Forgotten Man. (Sumner)
What I want to do is to look up C. . . . I call him the Forgotten Man. (Sumner)
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Ya that guy is pretty sketchy.ladajo wrote:Considering Defkalion got their "tech" from Rossiclown, it would seem to be a case of pot meets kettle.
Wasn't there a Fabio Penon that did "validation" for Rossiclown back in the day? Like 2011 or so???
The name now seems really familiar as I think about it.
Anyone?
The lawsuit document is available here: http://www.e-catworld.com/wp-content/up ... 1-main.pdf
The reply from the other guy is going to put this topic to rest finally.
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Yeah, reading through the description of the DGT- setup and how the observed steam is much lower than expected, I feel reminded of a video that showed Rossie demonstrating the E-Cat. People that watched that video also pointed out that the amount of steam leaving the hose that Rossi was holding was way less than what should be expected. I think that both DGT and Rossi are doing the same thing.ladajo wrote:Considering Defkalion got their "tech" from Rossiclown, it would seem to be a case of pot meets kettle.
Wasn't there a Fabio Penon that did "validation" for Rossiclown back in the day? Like 2011 or so???
The name now seems really familiar as I think about it.
Anyone?
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@ladajo
Stop with the old stuff and do your job. Look into this legal case and find the scam.
Stop with the old stuff and do your job. Look into this legal case and find the scam.
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darn, I start a business trip and suddenly all the fun arrives....
Seems like I choose the wrong days for my flights .
Seems like I choose the wrong days for my flights .
A society of dogmas is a dead society.
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Absolutely yes, he was the one who followed the test in August 2012.ladajo wrote:Considering Defkalion got their "tech" from Rossiclown, it would seem to be a case of pot meets kettle.
Wasn't there a Fabio Penon that did "validation" for Rossiclown back in the day? Like 2011 or so???
The name now seems really familiar as I think about it.
Anyone?
I can't believe they actually had him follow the one year test. Makes no sense. They should have searched some independent guy.
All this start to look so hilarious.
A society of dogmas is a dead society.
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Axil,Axil wrote:@ladajo
Stop with the old stuff and do your job. Look into this legal case and find the scam.
Two points, one is we have now established a pre-existing long running connection between Rossi and Penon. That should at a minimum demand a closer inspection of Penon and his work/credentials not to mention unbiased scrutiny of the report he just produced.
Second, Nothing in the legal filing is anything but Rossisaids. There is no substance to the depth of the document. It is a shell. Now, once this goes to active litigation, it will be interesting to see the depth of proof the court requires for the argument. It could well be that Rossi is simply fishing and hoping that IH & Co. will just pay him off to make him go away. Somehow I doubt it, I think they are going to fight.
The main point that I saw glossed over is the "why" IH refused the payment. Could it be they finally saw through the testing shenanigans of Rossi? They were not willing to pay for nothing?
This is shaping up to be really fun. Note, that so far, there is still no definitive proof of Ecat viability in the public realm. None at all.
The development of atomic power, though it could confer unimaginable blessings on mankind, is something that is dreaded by the owners of coal mines and oil wells. (Hazlitt)
What I want to do is to look up C. . . . I call him the Forgotten Man. (Sumner)
What I want to do is to look up C. . . . I call him the Forgotten Man. (Sumner)
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Actually Fabio Penon was critical of the setup provided and basically stated that the methodology was flawed and all estimated were based on the equipment provided and additional tests were recommended to establish the claims to protect the investors (got to read the full report)
I am not a nuclear physicist, but play one on the internet.
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Where is Ph.D? Another misrepresentation by Rossiclown?(Signed)
Fabio Penon, M.Eng (Nuclear Engineering Specialist).
Penon is working for Rossi again.E-Cat Certification:
Fabio Penon , M.Eng. (Nuclear Engineer, Product Certification Specialist)
E-Cat Electronic Control System Specialist:
Fulvio Fabiani, M.Eng.
Radiation Protection Report:
David Bianchini, M.Sc (Physicist, Radiation Measurements Specialist).
Fabiani is now working for IH, and not Rossi. (Snake Traitor!)
Minor point: Did it not turn out the Bianchini (at the time) was a student at University of Bologna, and not a graduate?
Hmm...
As I recall, there was serious doubt in the IR camera methodology.
I will re-read this report and focus on Penon's component contributions. Thanks for pointing out his possible reservations.
The development of atomic power, though it could confer unimaginable blessings on mankind, is something that is dreaded by the owners of coal mines and oil wells. (Hazlitt)
What I want to do is to look up C. . . . I call him the Forgotten Man. (Sumner)
What I want to do is to look up C. . . . I call him the Forgotten Man. (Sumner)
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Where's your proof? You can't honestly be that delusional.parallel wrote:So now the COP is officially 6 - 50 the trolls will ignore they were wrong and the E-Cat works as claimed. They will go on to another subject about which they know nothing and as usual will get that wrong too. As PNeilson10 wrote: "Let the unlimited trolling begin!" More on male virgin births would not surprise me.
I wonder how Joe Strout feels about having his blog site polluted in this way.
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Industrial Heat responds -
http://www.advfn.com/news_Industrial-He ... 42451.html
We are aware of the lawsuit filed by Andrea Rossi and Leonardo Corporation against Industrial Heat. Industrial Heat rejects the claims in the suit. They are without merit and we are prepared to vigorously defend ourselves against this action. Industrial Heat has worked for over three years to substantiate the results claimed by Mr. Rossi from the E-Cat technology – all without success. Leonardo Corporation and Mr. Rossi also have repeatedly breached their agreements. At the conclusion of these proceedings we are confident that the claims of Mr. Rossi and Leonardo Corporation will be rejected.
I think I will side with Industrial Heat in this saga
http://www.advfn.com/news_Industrial-He ... 42451.html
We are aware of the lawsuit filed by Andrea Rossi and Leonardo Corporation against Industrial Heat. Industrial Heat rejects the claims in the suit. They are without merit and we are prepared to vigorously defend ourselves against this action. Industrial Heat has worked for over three years to substantiate the results claimed by Mr. Rossi from the E-Cat technology – all without success. Leonardo Corporation and Mr. Rossi also have repeatedly breached their agreements. At the conclusion of these proceedings we are confident that the claims of Mr. Rossi and Leonardo Corporation will be rejected.
I think I will side with Industrial Heat in this saga
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Just saw the same thing here:
http://www.bizjournals.com/triangle/blo ... artup.html
http://www.bizjournals.com/triangle/blo ... artup.html
Darden was unable to comment on the suit Thursday. Vaughn told Triangle Business Journal in a prepared statement that Industrial Heat is aware of the lawsuit, calling it "without merit."
"Industrial Heat has worked for over three years to substantiate the results claimed by Mr. Rossi from the E-Cat technology – all without success," the statement reads, adding that Leonardo Corporation and Ross "have repeatedly breached their agreements."
The development of atomic power, though it could confer unimaginable blessings on mankind, is something that is dreaded by the owners of coal mines and oil wells. (Hazlitt)
What I want to do is to look up C. . . . I call him the Forgotten Man. (Sumner)
What I want to do is to look up C. . . . I call him the Forgotten Man. (Sumner)
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Rossi might end up having to pay back previous payments if they can demonstrate fraud.
It would be even cooler if they file a counter-suit claiming fraud on his part from the get-go.
Krivit posted an article on this as well, he noted that Rossiclown's lawyer has only been one for four years, before that he was a general contractor.
http://news.newenergytimes.net/2016/04/ ... -of-fraud/
Who do you think has better corporate law lawyers, Rossiclown or a Multi-billion dollar investment company???
It would be even cooler if they file a counter-suit claiming fraud on his part from the get-go.
Krivit posted an article on this as well, he noted that Rossiclown's lawyer has only been one for four years, before that he was a general contractor.
http://news.newenergytimes.net/2016/04/ ... -of-fraud/
Who do you think has better corporate law lawyers, Rossiclown or a Multi-billion dollar investment company???
The development of atomic power, though it could confer unimaginable blessings on mankind, is something that is dreaded by the owners of coal mines and oil wells. (Hazlitt)
What I want to do is to look up C. . . . I call him the Forgotten Man. (Sumner)
What I want to do is to look up C. . . . I call him the Forgotten Man. (Sumner)
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All without success..... so according these words it seems that this one year test was a flop after all....PNeilson10 wrote:Industrial Heat has worked for over three years to substantiate the results claimed by Mr. Rossi from the E-Cat technology – all without success.
Very curious to read it now
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