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williatw
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Re: Sell The Whitehouse to Trump

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williatw wrote: The media seems a bit too interested in Trump's people's response to their (the demonstrators) attempts to disrupt then delving too deeply into who they are and who (if anyone) is behind them.


Well there is this:




LEAD ORGANIZER Who Shut Down Hwy to TRUMP RALLY Is “Soros Fellow” from New Orleans

Yesterday Far left open border activists SHUT DOWN THE HIGHWAY leading to the Trump rally in Fountain Hills, Arizona for two hours.

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The protesters parked their trucks across the highway to block traffic.


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The lead protester who chained her neck to a pickup truck was Jacinta Gonzalez from New Orleans


Jacinta shut down traffic for two hours in Arizona
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Jacinta Gonzalez is a trained community organizer and Soros Fellow


It’s not clear if she is an American citizen.

Jacinta was one of three organizers who shut down traffic for over two hours yesterday in Arizona. She was trained by Soros.




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Re: Sell The Whitehouse to Trump

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williatw wrote:Yes the bankruptcies do concern me; his defense is that he used the tools the law gave him to his best interest. And he will negotiate/use whatever tools he has with the same alacrity when he is acting in our interest (as prez). Like for instance "renegotiating" trade deals that he maintains hurt American jobs.
I'm sorry, but like you said, he uses the law in his best interests, not the people's. I don't think he'll ever do anything in our best interest. His? Sure! Ours, not a chance. The only way I see him "renegotiating" trade is to create some advantage for his businesses.
williatw wrote:He (Trump) has made it clear that if rolls into the convention with a high plurality of the votes (but not a majority) and they try to "steal" if from him, he makes it abundantly clear he will run as an independent. In other words he will fight like a tiger for what he feels (and many of his supporters feel) he deserves; the nomination. Good, as far as I am concerned, would expect nothing less from him; when he is in something he is in to win; not get a good sport metal for being a good loser.
I agree he will fight until the end. I could care less for the characterization of being a tiger. He's doing what's best business-wise for him, nothing more or less. I suspect many would.

williatw wrote:Assuming she is not under indictment; probably won't happen under Obama but Trump has said that if he wins his Attorney General would definitely look at indictment; the statue of limitations would not according to him be up.
She won't be indicted.
williatw wrote:I am concerned as well I admit but I think those "extreme reactions" are caused by the perception that many of these "peaceful demonstrators" are organized with the express purpose of disrupting Trump's rallies any way they can; not letting the man speak doing everything they can to subvert his and his followers rights to exercise their right of peaceful assembly/speech. Never heard too much said in the media about who these demonstrators are and who is behind them; they seem somehow a bit too orchestrated to provoke a response from Trump & his followers. The media seems a bit too interested in Trump's people's response to their (the demonstrators) attempts to disrupt then delving too deeply into who they are and who (if anyone) is behind them.
Freedom of speech lets you say a lot. It allows you to be civilly disruptive. That's kind of the point. Of course they're going to be provoked. People that can't turn the other cheek and instead feel the need to sucker punch a protester and stomp them when they're down disgust me. The fact that he won't denounce the violence, provoked or not, is highly concerning.

I would never vote for Trump. As far as I'm concerned he is a man without moral or civil aptitude. Once again, my opinion and I recognize it.

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Re: Sell The Whitehouse to Trump

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To be fair, we should consider that bankruptcy is a tried and proven tool in business, that is coded and accounted for in the law.
There is no real penalty for bankruptcy, it is a maneuver to defray debt in most cases. Personally, I think it needs to be tightened up on the accountability side. Especially in the limited proceedings versions, or 'light bankruptcies'.

What is interesting to me is how the mass media is downplaying the sourcing and execution of the active interference of Trump events. Blocking highways? Really? That makes plants at rallies pale in comparison from the perspective of a free speech democracy...
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Re: Sell The Whitehouse to Trump

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So you're against protesting? Or just disruptive protesting? As long as it is out of sight and out of mind its ok? What good is a protest if nobody sees or hears it? The point of protesting is to get one's voice heard. In the last 20 years or so I've found that people only seem to agree with protest tactics when it suits their view points, but heaven forbid it not. I may not agree with everyone's view, but I agree you have the right to be heard, no matter how asinine your view may be.

Clinton = Business as usual. (May not like it, but you know it)
Trump = Amplified recession, potential depression.

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Nope, not against protesting at all. I am however against impeding the rights of others, such as life, liberty, pursuit of happiness.
If it makes someone happy to go to a Trump outing, they have the liberty to do so, as part of their life. If someone wants to yell at them and wave signs as they go by, I am all for it.
The right to protest does not include the right to deprive others of their rights. Blocking a public throughway is wrong, by anyone who does it.
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Re: Sell The Whitehouse to Trump

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I think marginalized persons feel that causing an inconvenience is sometimes the only way to be heard. I know I"m guilty of just walking by protests. I'd willing to bet most people do since you know....it doesn't concern them, that is until it does.
First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.
Modified properly, it could refer to protest related movements. In relation to Trump, I'd say first they came for the Muslims and then the Jews and then the far left and far right, and then the moderate. I'm sorry but Southern justice behind a confederate flag is not what I want representing me in the end and that is who he appeals to right now. Of course if I had my way with regard to how our president presents themselves, they'd be closer to a scientist than a politician. Unfortunately, I do not get my way :(

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Re: Sell The Whitehouse to Trump

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Are the folks who are protesting Trump marginalized?
These types of actions are escalatory in nature, and to some degree on purpose.
For example, when you watch the full video of the Mizzou parade protest, you find that the "Protestors" had no intention of engaging with the president of the school, and you also find Melissa Click egging them on and screaming profanities at the police, who were trying to move the protestors back to the side, and unblock the route.

How long will it be before planted protestors and road blockers appear for Hillary rallies? Bernie Rallies? Kasick Rallies? Whoever rallies?
Civilization is based on rules to promote civility. If you want anarchy, then this is what it starts as. The endgame: Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan, a large number of African Republics, France during the revolutions, etc. and so on. When it comes to that, no one is safe, and plenty of innocent folks get smoked. Is it all good until you get smoked as an innocent or participant in chaos?

We are on a slippery slope as a nation, and entitled idiots need to get their heads out of their asses before they burn us all down. And yes, "entitled idiots" is meant to be a wide ranging filter that includes the likes of corrupt politicians such as Hillary, rules are 'literal' for me to exploit like Trump, and all the way down to those who run red lights, or take from society without intent or desire to contribute.

We are all in this together. Period.
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Re: Sell The Whitehouse to Trump

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We are all in it together, but I've found the ignorant often have the loudest voice. Reminds me of Animal Farm where the sheep drown out any dissension and yes it can work both ways.

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Re: Sell The Whitehouse to Trump

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Animal farm, yes and by the way it is no longer required reading in many schools as it was when I was growing up.
But I have to disagree on one thing, Clinton will not be business as usual in any way.
Many I know have had personal experiences with her and her open disdain of the military personal around her. A friend of mine was on detail when she was in the White house and it became his first priority to get out of the presidential detail because of her. oh the story's he told about the shenanigans at the White house . Another spoke of how she treated his detection dog when he feed him a treat from the kitchen demanding payment because the dog ha eaten from a plate at a 1000 dollar plate fundraiser and when he refused she contacted his CO demanding he be disciplined. (note it did not go anywhere)
I can not imagine her being anything good for the military common man.
I believe i would rather have sanders than her.
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Re: Sell The Whitehouse to Trump

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And just to make my point clear, there is not a candidate on either side of this election I would feel comfortable standing with at election time.
I still do not know who I will vote for...
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Re: Sell The Whitehouse to Trump

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Ahh, how I dream of being able to vote 'no'...
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Re: Sell The Whitehouse to Trump

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My current order of choice would be: Sanders, Clinton\Kasich\Bush (interchangeable in my opinion and I'm originally from Ohio), Rubio, Trump, Cruz, Carson. I go with Sanders because at the very least you know exactly what he stands for and what he wants to do. The others, only they know. I also wouldn't mind term limits in other branches which I think would get actual work done, but that's wishful thinking.

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Re: Sell The Whitehouse to Trump

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ScottL wrote:I agree he will fight until the end. I could care less for the characterization of being a tiger. He's doing what's best business-wise for him, nothing more or less. I suspect many would.
Not sure if getting the Republican nomination and trying to become president is a "business" decision; seems as if Trump has persuaded (some might say deluded) himself into believing he could excel at the job. And apparently a large swath of the Republican and Independent electorate seemingly agree. Don't know what he will do with his varied business interest if in fact he becomes president.



williatw wrote:Assuming she is not under indictment; probably won't happen under Obama but Trump has said that if he wins his Attorney General would definitely look at indictment; the statue of limitations would not according to him be up.
ScottL wrote: She won't be indicted.
Unless Trump wins I would agree. Unless in the wake of the FBI recommending that she be indicted, there is a groundswell of public pressure on Obama and his attorney general too strong to ignore; possible but I doubt it.
ScottL wrote:Freedom of speech lets you say a lot. It allows you to be civilly disruptive. That's kind of the point. Of course they're going to be provoked. People that can't turn the other cheek and instead feel the need to sucker punch a protester and stomp them when they're down disgust me. The fact that he won't denounce the violence, provoked or not, is highly concerning.
Even if the protests are deliberately organized to provoke a violent response from Trump's followers; that they were deliberately coached in such a way to goad that response from Trump's followers? Would it matter to you if proof came to light that Saunders (or Hillary Clinton) people via Soros was behind the whole thing?
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Re: Sell The Whitehouse to Trump

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ScottL wrote:would never vote for Trump. As far as I'm concerned he is a man without moral or civil aptitude. Once again, my opinion and I recognize it.
ScottL wrote:My current order of choice would be: Sanders, Clinton\Kasich\Bush (interchangeable in my opinion and I'm originally from Ohio), Rubio, Trump, Cruz, Carson.
You care so much about Trump's "without moral or civil aptitude"; and yet Hillary Clinton is your no. 2 after Sanders who obviously won't get the Democratic nomination; furthermore Bush is out of race, and Kasich barely still in; so basically Hillary is your no. one choice. In what way would you say that Hillary (or Bill for that matter) Clinton have superior moral aptitude over Donald Trump?

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Re: Sell The Whitehouse to Trump

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Hillary is high on my "no" vote list, for exactly the above reasons. Fundamental contempt and continuous of power based corruption for their (Hill & Bill) own ends.
Freedom of speech lets you say a lot. It allows you to be civilly disruptive.
I disagree from the perspective that their is a limit. The word "disruptive" implies a very wide spectrum of activity that I don't agree with in this context.
The development of atomic power, though it could confer unimaginable blessings on mankind, is something that is dreaded by the owners of coal mines and oil wells. (Hazlitt)
What I want to do is to look up C. . . . I call him the Forgotten Man. (Sumner)

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