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choff wrote:Cold war's supposed to have ended in the 90's, Soviet Union is history, the place is becoming more democratic.
How stupid do you think we are, besides very?

Russia is now a one party state, and Putin is that party. He wants Russia's effective borders and sphere of influence expanded as far as he can push it, back to what they were at the SovUnion's heyday.
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hanelyp wrote: The way Comifornia does elections is a recipe for massive voting in someone else's name with negligible chance of getting caught. States that are completely vote by mail may be worse.
You know a finger dipped in ink is how they do it in third world states.
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TDPerk wrote:
choff wrote:Cold war's supposed to have ended in the 90's, Soviet Union is history, the place is becoming more democratic.
How stupid do you think we are, besides very?

Russia is now a one party state, and Putin is that party. He wants Russia's effective borders and sphere of influence expanded as far as he can push it, back to what they were at the SovUnion's heyday.
How many countries has Russia conquered militarily under Putin?
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How are people who believe the Russians hacked the election not tin foil hat conspiracy wingnuts?
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choff wrote:How are people who believe the Russians hacked the election not tin foil hat conspiracy wingnuts?
In whole or in part, Georgia, Checnya, and Ukraine. They have crossed the border into the Baltics and taken at least one prisoner.
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TDPerk wrote:
choff wrote:How are people who believe the Russians hacked the election not tin foil hat conspiracy wingnuts?
In whole or in part, Georgia, Checnya, and Ukraine. They have crossed the border into the Baltics and taken at least one prisoner.
Only they didn't conquer them, they were responding to Islamic terrorists and real Nazis, some of whom were egged on by the west.

Did anyone else watch the coverage of the Boston free speech rally, the one shut down by the counter-protest. Among the so called hate speech crowd was a E Indian American Senatorial candidate, GMO Monsanto protesters, a Jew wearing Israeli and American flags, and marijuana legalization advocates. So if M Simon were there he'd be labeled a Nazi by Antifa. There were no actual Nazis or KKK at the Gazebo in Boston, so the crowd had to turn on a gay guy.

Berkeley has turned into a Communist Fascist state in it's own right.
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The top three organizers of the extreme right protest in Charlottesville were all Hillary/Obama supporters until a year ago. They all magically and suddenly turned hard right.
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Tom Ligon wrote:Confirmed case of voter fraud. http://nhpr.org/post/manchester-man-ple ... e#stream/0

The guy is a Republican.



I didn't see an answer from you. What Shenanigans did Moscow pull in the election?
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hanelyp wrote:
choff wrote:... As for the legitimacy of the vote, in California, some counties have 144% registered voters to 100% of the adult population. Overall, 3.5 million more U.S. voters than adults, 23 states refusing to share voter lists with the federal government. The pot calling the kettle black.
I've given a lot of thought on how to hold an honest election. What I've come down to is:
- Regularly clean the election rolls of people who die or move away. This includes cross referencing with other State's election rolls.
- Positive voter ID. A government issued voter ID at the polling place, or a fingerprint for absentee ballots. This should help a great deal even without cleaning the voter rolls.

The way Comifornia does elections is a recipe for massive voting in someone else's name with negligible chance of getting caught. States that are completely vote by mail may be worse.

I've also given thought to vote by 'Net. The stumbling block I keep running into is voter validation without compromising the secret ballot should databases be cross referenced due to corruption or data leak. Physical tokens / ballots may be the only sure means around that difficulty.

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Choff: Please define "conquer".
You have a meaning in mind, and it is useful for us to know what it is.
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choff wrote:
TDPerk wrote:
choff wrote:How are people who believe the Russians hacked the election not tin foil hat conspiracy wingnuts?
In whole or in part, Georgia, Checnya, and Ukraine. They have crossed the border into the Baltics and taken at least one prisoner.
Only they didn't conquer them, they were responding to Islamic terrorists and real Nazis, some of whom were egged on by the west.
In whole in Chechnya and in part, Georgia and Ukraine, they did conquer. Unless you are claiming we are justified in taking Iraq and Afghanistan for unorganized territory prior to statehood, no terrorism Islamic or otherwise is an excuse for taking territory. There were no Nazis of any relevance in Ukraine, egged on otherwise (which "egging on" you have presumed, not proven) -- it was not Nazi Ukrainians, it was just Ukrainians who fought the Russian puppet.
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Conquer means defeat the military of the country and physically occupy with your own. Replace the leadership with a puppet government. The Russians have made incursions into neighboring states with specific objectives in mind related to their own security. Crimea has a long history in relation to Russia, the two breakaway provinces have predominantly Russian populations.
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choff wrote:Conquer means defeat the military of the country and physically occupy with your own. Replace the leadership with a puppet government. The Russians have made incursions into neighboring states with specific objectives in mind related to their own security. Crimea has a long history in relation to Russia, the two breakaway provinces have predominantly Russian populations.
From your definition, it appears that Chechnya, The Crimea, and Eastern Ukraine meet the mark when considering "defeat the military of the country and physically occupy with your own", and "<replacing> the leadership with a puppet government." Especially when you consider the soviet/Russian way of war, in that a battlefield defeat is only one means of "defeat" an opposing force can meet.

Other nations, like Belarus, Trans-Dniester, Nagorno-Karabakh, and Dagestan, and even Syria (surely on the path) may also meet this criteria of yours, if you consider that the entry of troops can be without combat. Again, this is based in the soviet/Russian theories on the conduct of war & conflict. These theories include use of deniable military force such as proxies or unmarked/unclaimed Russian units. It also includes co-opting local forces via corruption, coercion, or other means.

An incursion is defined by 'not staying'. This could represented with Georgia, however it is arguable given the status of Abkhazia, and South Osseita in particular.

So in short, your own definition undermines your premise that the RFN has not 'conquered' anyone. In fact, if you ask them, they market (especially internally) that they have.

Additionally, please clarify what you mean by "Russian".
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"Let Me Tell You Who Obama Pardoned" Trump Destroys Reporter Over Joe Arpaio Pardon

Published on Aug 28, 2017

this is breaking news and latest news, trump goes off on bill clinton and obama for pardoning legit criminals, this is also political news and politics news today and it was taken at the white house press conference room during a joint press conference, president trump did not let anyone forget all of the pardons obama did, president donald trump and sheriff joe arpaio has been controversy since it was announced, thanks for watching



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dnDetIlLozc


The fun part starts at about 01:50.

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