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Diogenes wrote:
Betruger wrote:Hopeless. It never gets old seeing people lose it over some powerful scumbag du jour who wouldn't think twice of disposing of them if it served his/her purposes. The cockroach thankful for being stepped on.

The sooner we cure aging (time), get off this rock (space & matter), and solve fusion (or some other energy scheme), the sooner we can say goodbye to "society"s madness. Maybe that's the origin of Fermi's paradox. The further the better.


It is my belief, that wherever goes man, the madness comes with him.

I think the madness we are seeing now is a consequence of our unparalleled prosperity. Only in austerity do people seemingly behave more rationally.
Madness of some frick's idea of racial or political justice, realized thanks to electoral "victory", is not madness of occasionally annoying neighbours with loud motorcycle or talking too much at annoying but mandatory direct democratic formal meeting. Populations are toxic past a certain size, there's no arguing that. Putting some distance (space energy and matter) and some mental&emotional distance (age) would cut toxicity far below most of today's world's.

Unfortunately it is basically required to haul ass as fast as physics allows to truly escape the madness. All it takes is one POS with the futuristic equivalent of a rented uhaul to spoil other's day.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L58T2dl997A

Obama, McCain, Hillary, VIctoria Nuland, CNN and the MSM have no problems supporting NAZIS in Ukraine, they even have their pictures taken with them. Not the punk a$$ variety in Charlottesville either, but NAZIS in power who killed 60,000 people during WW2. Charlottesville was a carbon copy of Ukraine right down to the tiki torch parades and blood and soil chants.
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choff wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L58T2dl997A

Obama, McCain, Hillary, VIctoria Nuland, CNN and the MSM have no problems supporting NAZIS in Ukraine, they even have their pictures taken with them. Not the punk a$$ variety in Charlottesville either, but NAZIS in power who killed 60,000 people during WW2. Charlottesville was a carbon copy of Ukraine right down to the tiki torch parades and blood and soil chants.
It takes a great deal of stupid to conflate all Ukrainian patriots with NAZIs, since few are Nazis.
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Most aren't, but the ones that are got support from the Obama administration, Hillary Clinton, George Soros. The same George Soros funding Antifa.
Charlotteville was a $hitshow.
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choff wrote:

Most aren't, but the ones that are got support from the Obama administration, Hillary Clinton, George Soros. The same George Soros funding Antifa.
Charlotteville was a $hitshow designed to discredit conservatives and populists via guilt by association.
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" The protests were prompted by reports from several domestic and foreign election monitors as well as the widespread public perception that the results of the run-off vote of 21 November 2004 between leading candidates Viktor Yushchenko and Viktor Yanukovych were rigged by the authorities in favour of the latter. The nationwide protests succeeded when the results of the original run-off were annulled, and a revote was ordered by Ukraine's Supreme Court for 26 December 2004. Under intense scrutiny by domestic and international observers, the second run-off was declared to be "fair and free". The final results showed a clear victory for Yushchenko, who received about 52% of the vote, compared to Yanukovych's 44%. Yushchenko was declared the official winner and with his inauguration on 23 January 2005 in Kiev, the Orange Revolution ended.

In the following years, the Orange Revolution had a negative connotation among pro-government circles in Belarus and Russia. "
Yanukovich was in 2010 elected in a fair election. He was overthrown democratically in 2014 in a textbook example of a government acting against the wishes of the overwhelming majority of the people.
"The perception that Yanukovych was trying to establish closer ties with Russia played a major role in the protests. Yanukovych accepted "bail-out" money—$2 billion out of a $15 billion package—from Russia, and this was interpreted as a sign that he would seek close ties with Putin. Russian officials had been pressuring the Ukrainian administration to take decisive action to crush the protests, and the police assault on Euromaidan protesters was ordered hours after the $2 billion from Russia was transferred."
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" On 31 March 2014, the Daily Beast published photos and videos showing that the snipers were members of the SBU's "anti-terrorist" Alpha unit who had been trained in Russia. The media suggested that it was not the Ukrainian riot police who fired on the protesters, as previously believed, although the members of the Alpha team are Ukrainian citizens. "
From Choff's own sources, namely Wikipedia.

The accusation that Nazis were relevantly involved in the rejection by Ukraine of Russian rule, is a distraction and deception peddled by Putin and his agents to the foolish and the credulous.
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I just realized tonight that I've "known" H. R. McMaster quite a bit longer than most of you, long before he was in the current administration. A relative of mine served under him in Iraq, specifically when then Colonel McMaster was the "Mayor of Tal Afar," circa 2005.

When some people come into a conquered city with their Stryker Brigade and other ways to run roughshod over you, you might expect something like Machiavellian tactics ... rule with an iron fist. McMaster looked around, saw a broken government, and worked on fixing it. Among other things, the place was filthy, and one of his first jobs was to organize garbage pickup. You could say he actually cleaned the place up. His men captured some "playing cards" officials from Saddam's government ... the playing cards tried to bribe their way past a checkpoint, but the soldiers proved incorruptible, refused the bribes, and took them into custody.

The place has not been as good since he left it. It is on the news tonight because the Iraqis have launched a push to take it back from ISIS. The army was unable to maintain control later when the strength garrisoned there was reduced to a single company, but with McMaster and enough resources(an armored regiment), did all right. It has been an on and off insurgent hotspot since the war.

Anyway, no big surprise he tends to "clean house" when he takes a new job.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/ar ... il/535767/

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TDPerk wrote:
" The protests were prompted by reports from several domestic and foreign election monitors as well as the widespread public perception that the results of the run-off vote of 21 November 2004 between leading candidates Viktor Yushchenko and Viktor Yanukovych were rigged by the authorities in favour of the latter. The nationwide protests succeeded when the results of the original run-off were annulled, and a revote was ordered by Ukraine's Supreme Court for 26 December 2004. Under intense scrutiny by domestic and international observers, the second run-off was declared to be "fair and free". The final results showed a clear victory for Yushchenko, who received about 52% of the vote, compared to Yanukovych's 44%. Yushchenko was declared the official winner and with his inauguration on 23 January 2005 in Kiev, the Orange Revolution ended.

In the following years, the Orange Revolution had a negative connotation among pro-government circles in Belarus and Russia. "
Yanukovich was in 2010 elected in a fair election. He was overthrown democratically in 2014 in a textbook example of a government acting against the wishes of the overwhelming majority of the people.
"The perception that Yanukovych was trying to establish closer ties with Russia played a major role in the protests. Yanukovych accepted "bail-out" money—$2 billion out of a $15 billion package—from Russia, and this was interpreted as a sign that he would seek close ties with Putin. Russian officials had been pressuring the Ukrainian administration to take decisive action to crush the protests, and the police assault on Euromaidan protesters was ordered hours after the $2 billion from Russia was transferred."
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" On 31 March 2014, the Daily Beast published photos and videos showing that the snipers were members of the SBU's "anti-terrorist" Alpha unit who had been trained in Russia. The media suggested that it was not the Ukrainian riot police who fired on the protesters, as previously believed, although the members of the Alpha team are Ukrainian citizens. "
From Choff's own sources, namely Wikipedia.

The accusation that Nazis were relevantly involved in the rejection by Ukraine of Russian rule, is a distraction and deception peddled by Putin and his agents to the foolish and the credulous.
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choff wrote:
TDPerk wrote:
" The protests were prompted by reports from several domestic and foreign election monitors as well as the widespread public perception that the results of the run-off vote of 21 November 2004 between leading candidates Viktor Yushchenko and Viktor Yanukovych were rigged by the authorities in favour of the latter. The nationwide protests succeeded when the results of the original run-off were annulled, and a revote was ordered by Ukraine's Supreme Court for 26 December 2004. Under intense scrutiny by domestic and international observers, the second run-off was declared to be "fair and free". The final results showed a clear victory for Yushchenko, who received about 52% of the vote, compared to Yanukovych's 44%. Yushchenko was declared the official winner and with his inauguration on 23 January 2005 in Kiev, the Orange Revolution ended.

In the following years, the Orange Revolution had a negative connotation among pro-government circles in Belarus and Russia. "
Yanukovich was in 2010 elected in a fair election. He was overthrown democratically in 2014 in a textbook example of a government acting against the wishes of the overwhelming majority of the people.
"The perception that Yanukovych was trying to establish closer ties with Russia played a major role in the protests. Yanukovych accepted "bail-out" money—$2 billion out of a $15 billion package—from Russia, and this was interpreted as a sign that he would seek close ties with Putin. Russian officials had been pressuring the Ukrainian administration to take decisive action to crush the protests, and the police assault on Euromaidan protesters was ordered hours after the $2 billion from Russia was transferred."
&
" On 31 March 2014, the Daily Beast published photos and videos showing that the snipers were members of the SBU's "anti-terrorist" Alpha unit who had been trained in Russia. The media suggested that it was not the Ukrainian riot police who fired on the protesters, as previously believed, although the members of the Alpha team are Ukrainian citizens. "
From Choff's own sources, namely Wikipedia.

The accusation that Nazis were relevantly involved in the rejection by Ukraine of Russian rule, is a distraction and deception peddled by Putin and his agents to the foolish and the credulous.
Don't take it from me, ask one of the 2 million citizens of the eastern breakaway Ukrainian provinces if they think it was a Nazi coup.

One of the first places on the internet I followed was the spitfirelist. You can go there and read up on the Galen organization any time. Basically, the Germans left spy networks behind when they retreated out of the USSR. The CIA took them over, not knowing the Russians had already turned them. That was a big reason so many American CIA agents were caught in the USSR, betrayed by the very people they thought were allies. It's a good place to begin researching U.S. government entanglement with ex Nazis. Then there's the old Muslim SS divisions recruited out of Caucasus and points east, PLUS, the Ukrainians who wanted revenge for the Soviet genocide and worked for the Germans.
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choff wrote:
choff wrote:
TDPerk wrote:
Yanukovich was in 2010 elected in a fair election. He was overthrown democratically in 2014 in a textbook example of a government acting against the wishes of the overwhelming majority of the people.



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From Choff's own sources, namely Wikipedia.

The accusation that Nazis were relevantly involved in the rejection by Ukraine of Russian rule, is a distraction and deception peddled by Putin and his agents to the foolish and the credulous.
Don't take it from me, ask one of the 2 million citizens of the eastern breakaway Ukrainian provinces if they think it was a Nazi coup.

One of the first places on the internet I followed was the spitfirelist. You can go there and read up on the Galen organization any time. Basically, the Germans left spy networks behind when they retreated out of the USSR. The CIA took them over, not knowing the Russians had already turned them. That was a big reason so many American CIA agents were caught in the USSR, betrayed by the very people they thought were allies. It's a good place to begin researching U.S. government entanglement with ex Nazis. Then there's the old Muslim SS divisions recruited out of Caucasus and points east, PLUS, the Ukrainians who wanted revenge for the Soviet genocide and worked for the Germans.
If they are native Russian speakers I won't take it from them either. Also not if they are living under Putin's guns and with his secret police apparatus.

Instead of encouraging Putin to take the Sudetenland approach, you should encourage Russians who want to be ruled from Moscow to go back to Russia--instead of trying to kill their neighbors until they are quiet about it.

You should also probably stop making posts with are just duplicate of other people's posts. You do know how to delete an erroneous post, right?
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Another little dose of reality for Choff.

https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/273111/

The Russian military veterans of Putins' insurgency in Ukraine are having problems getting benefits--he has of course said officially there are no Russian soldiers in Ukraine. :roll:
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If those Russian soldiers leave you won't be listening to the MSM talking about the genocide mass/deportations taking place, only alternative media if you even pay attention. But lets assume everything you say is true, back to my original point, how is tarring Trump with the Charlotteville Nazi brush any more legitimate than tarring Obama, McCain, Hillary with the Ukraine Nazi brush.
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choff wrote:If those Russian soldiers leave you won't be listening to the MSM talking about the genocide mass/deportations taking place, only alternative media if you even pay attention. But lets assume everything you say is true, back to my original point, how is tarring Trump with the Charlotteville Nazi brush any more legitimate than tarring Obama, McCain, Hillary with the Ukraine Nazi brush.
And in the happy event Ukraine can preserve it's sovereignty, why shouldn't there be mass deportations and even executions? Russians out of uniform in Ukraine should expect to be killed out of hand as the Geneva Conventions permit. Ukrainian citizens who fought for the invaders should also expect that, although at least a military trial and conviction should precede it.

No one has said Trump! should be tarred with a Nazi brush, although just like when David Duke gave his endorsement to Trump!, it took Trump! too long to figure out he should condemn the Nazis, Kluxers, and White nationalists--and he still bobbled his condemnation saying there were fine people on each side. Among the Antifa thugs and the thugs across from them, no, there aren't good people.
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Trump is either slowly figuring this out, or else finally listening to people who knew already.

Yes, there were two sides to the Charlottesville event. Or "many". This being America, first amendment and all that, even Nazis get to say what they think in public. The government should not prevent it. That means it is up to decent citizens to answer back loudly. When the KKK, neo-NAZIs, white supremacists, etc. show up, a hoard of responsible people who believe in this country need to use their first amendment rights to shout the bastards down.

It should never take a President the better part of a week to finally get this right. And I notice it finally happened after Bannon was booted.

Whatever kook theories you have about Hillary and Obama (I don't care for either of them), they're no longer the problem. Trump is President, of the whole country, and needs to act like it. Every now and then, for a few minutes, he does, so I know he can. You keep complaining about a long list of people criticizing Trump, painting them as his enemies. He definitely has opposition, and there's no doubt that a large fraction of the press is liberal. But if you take any rational view of what is happening, Trump's worst enemy looks back at him in the mirror every morning. There are two ways to fix this. He can either become as media savvy as he thinks he is, or his staff can take away his phone and duct-tape him to a chair.

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