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Green Solutions Go Astray Again

Postby GIThruster » Wed Aug 20, 2014 8:32 pm

Not funny, and the trouble with the wind turbines was at least this bad.

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Re: Green Solutions Go Astray Again

Postby paperburn1 » Wed Aug 20, 2014 9:15 pm

I think this article may be suspect, It suggest that the birds are drawn to the insects coming to the light. Just like the light on your porch draws in bugs. But only the birds are getting fried and the insect population remains steady around the worlds largest bug zapper. :lol:
Not saying its not happening but the real numbers of bird carcasses found would be nice to know.
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Re: Green Solutions Go Astray Again

Postby GIThruster » Wed Aug 20, 2014 9:29 pm

Agreed. IJReview is not prone however to shoddy reporting and misrepresentation. They did for example cite the source for the 28,000 bird/year estimate. If its 1/10 that its still a lot. In any case, I think its helpful we always look for hidden costs in such programs.
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Re: Green Solutions Go Astray Again

Postby MSimon » Wed Aug 20, 2014 9:55 pm

Roasted turkeys? Oh. Wait. Turkeys can't fly.


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Re: Green Solutions Go Astray Again

Postby Diogenes » Thu Aug 21, 2014 7:31 pm

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Re: Green Solutions Go Astray Again

Postby tomclarke » Thu Aug 21, 2014 10:45 pm

So, reading the reports:

Federal officials have estimated one every 2 min (you can bet that was a throw-away remark made by one official). Another (more serious) estimate was 28,000 per year from the bird people. The solar plant people estimate 1000 per years. So I'd put the true number somewhere between those two estimates, but closer to the 28K/year one probably.

Now... In the US between 300,000,000 and 900,000,000 birds are estimated to die each year flying into windows (mostly normal house windows).

So the cost of solar power does not seem so high unless you are a bird greenie.

And this story looks designed to appeal to those who have some ulterior dislike of green energy.

As with animals killed on roads, if the deaths are significant you will get some fast natural selection for less risky behaviours over a number of years. So that will help. But the numbers do not look alarming given that there are not going to be a large number of these concentrated solar plants.

The other thing to note is that birds adjust populations according to predation and habitat. So culling a given number per year is not likely very significant - there are feedbacks.

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Re: Green Solutions Go Astray Again

Postby GIThruster » Thu Aug 21, 2014 11:33 pm

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Re: Green Solutions Go Astray Again

Postby CherryPick » Thu Aug 21, 2014 11:54 pm

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