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Re: How to defeat ISIL

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GIThruster wrote:
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My question is why is the DOJ not releasing videos and statements that support the officer??? why did the DOJ hold the video of the young man doing a strong arm robbery from the press?
The only thing I saw in that video was him attacking a customer. There is NO evidence of a robbery. There is evidence of him reaching across the counter. So did he pay and then get upset?

The store owner did not call in a robbery.
There was an early report that the cigars were found on him, and I believe the store owner did call it in because the officer was already looking for the purp. Certainly someone called it in.
Some one in the store supposedly called it in. It was not the store owner.
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Diogenes wrote:
MSimon wrote:The before picture:
Still waving the bloody shirtI see.

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Yes. And I see it makes the police and their sympathizers unhappy. i.e. the desired effect. You know what my detective friend (retired) Howard Wolldridge calls prohibition?

Modern Prohibition/The War on Drugs is the most destructive, dysfunctional & immoral domestic policy since slavery & Jim Crow. - Retired Police Detective Howard Wooldridge

So the bloody shirt is quite appropriate. BTW Howard is a white guy.
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Re: How to defeat ISIL

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I believe it was a mistake to leave Iraq, history shows that to stabilise a country you need to sit around in country until they all wearing nikes and eating big macs (half joking), something like a Marshall plan, which worked for germany and japan after wwii , & south korea.

ISIS/L wouldnt have made it 5 miles nside the border if the US had kept a decent base there.
For this blame can be partially laid at the door of the anti-war 'troops out now' (no matter what cost to iraqi civilians) crowd.

As for Syria, well thats how isis became a credible force, working with Syrian government forces against the rebels. Apparently thats changing somewhat now, turning against each other, especially after isis overran some important military bases in recent months.

my gf helps iraqi refugees find housing and to a man they say the same thing 'the west should have never left'

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Re: How to defeat ISIL

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303 wrote:my gf helps iraqi refugees find housing and to a man they say the same thing 'the west should have never left'
I agree. One can debate the consequences of not finding the kinds of weapons we thought we would, but given we were in country and our servicemen were laying down their lives, to have it all pissed away by politicians and feeble opinions really dishonors their sacrifice. I am no longer buying the bullshit that people appreciate the service our guys and gals provide, and yet pee on it in their next step. And that's not the worst. the worst is what it does to the lives of the people whose trust we betrayed when we told them we'd bring them stability, peace and better lives, and then turned our backs. It's shameful behavior. No wonder the world doesn't appreciate American leadership.
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Re: How to defeat ISIL

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MSimon wrote:
Diogenes wrote:
MSimon wrote:The before picture:
Still waving the bloody shirtI see.


Yes. And I see it makes the police and their sympathizers unhappy. i.e. the desired effect.

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I'm thinking it's just your version of Gleichschaltung.
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Re: How to defeat ISIL

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303 wrote:
my gf helps iraqi refugees find housing and to a man they say the same thing 'the west should have never left'


You mean letting an inexperienced man-child have control of a nation turns out to have been a bad idea?



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My impression of shifting alliances in Iraq:

At first we had it rough, in part due to ham fisted wholesale dismantling of local government institutions. We'd have done better letting those who weren't overt villains keep their government jobs, at least until the new government was in place.

Then things got a lot better as the locals discovered we'd let them live their lives in peace as long as they kept the peace.

Then things got a lot worse when we announced we were going to leave, and couldn't be counted on to help keep the peace. At that point the locals started looking for what new alliances they could make, and some of those alliances have been a disaster.
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Diogenes wrote:I'm thinking it's just your version of Gleichschaltung.
More like J'accuse. i.e. false imprisonment due to prejudice. Say didn't I mention that up thread?

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Re: How to defeat ISIL

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Diogenes wrote:
You mean letting an inexperienced man-child have control of a nation turns out to have been a bad idea?
I assume you are talking about GW Bush? I saw it coming over a decade ago. We should have never went there in the first place!

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MSimon wrote:
Diogenes wrote:I'm thinking it's just your version of Gleichschaltung.
More like J'accuse. i.e. false imprisonment due to prejudice. Say didn't I mention that up thread?

Modern Prohibition/The War on Drugs is the most destructive, dysfunctional & immoral domestic policy since slavery & Jim Crow. - Retired Police Detective Howard Wooldridge
And you know who is threatened by this change of policy? Those who think no knock raids at 3AM by masked heavily armed police who wantonly toss about fire bombs are just a dandy way to police. Who is it exactly with a Gleichschaltung policy? It ain't me.
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Re: How to defeat ISIL

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Skipjack wrote:
Diogenes wrote:
You mean letting an inexperienced man-child have control of a nation turns out to have been a bad idea?
I assume you are talking about GW Bush? I saw it coming over a decade ago. We should have never went there in the first place!
You can't base current policy on hypotheticals. You ought to deal with reality or reality will deal with you.
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Re: How to defeat ISIL

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Skipjack wrote:
Diogenes wrote:
You mean letting an inexperienced man-child have control of a nation turns out to have been a bad idea?
I assume you are talking about GW Bush? I saw it coming over a decade ago. We should have never went there in the first place!
So you don't think freeing 20 million women from Sharia law and gaining for them the right to an education and a place in open society was worth it?

And Pepsi. They have Pepsi now.
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Re: How to defeat ISIL

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GIThruster wrote:
Skipjack wrote:
Diogenes wrote:
You mean letting an inexperienced man-child have control of a nation turns out to have been a bad idea?
I assume you are talking about GW Bush? I saw it coming over a decade ago. We should have never went there in the first place!
So you don't think freeing 20 million women from Sharia law and gaining for them the right to an education and a place in open society was worth it?

And Pepsi. They have Pepsi now.
If ISIS keeps kicking the crap out of the Iraqi Army....then at some point Maliki(gone good riddance) and the Iraqi gov will be so terrified they will be on both knees begging us to come back. Then we agree, provided they pay for it...stick it to them to the tune of 10's of billions up front, following by a yearly stipend of many more billions for every year we have to keep those 50-100K troops there. The Saudis are just as frightened of ISIS extremists to...bet we could hit them up hard too; you think we need to be there to prevent WWIII 20yrs from now fine, but make that lot pay for our trouble. Stop acting like generous Uncle sucker...if we are all that is preventing global war, then make them pay for our blood with their treasure.
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Re: How to defeat ISIL

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GIThruster wrote:
Skipjack wrote:
Diogenes wrote:
You mean letting an inexperienced man-child have control of a nation turns out to have been a bad idea?
I assume you are talking about GW Bush? I saw it coming over a decade ago. We should have never went there in the first place!
So you don't think freeing 20 million women from Sharia law and gaining for them the right to an education and a place in open society was worth it?

And Pepsi. They have Pepsi now.
There was no Sharia law in Iraq before the US invaded it, but if ISIS will keep advancing, they will have it soon...

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Re: How to defeat ISIL

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I'm not certain about Sharia in Iraq during Saddam's reign, but I know women had to keep themselves covered, and were not allowed to learn to read nor be educated in any way, and were not able to serve in government. I think we have a national interest in seeing this sort of human rights violation put an end to. the whole world is at risk because of these abominable practices and those to pursue them. We can hide and wait for the jihadists to come get us, or we can push back. I say, push back. No reason to look for a fight, but we already had commitments to these Kurds. We owe them.
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