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NSA and Illusion of Email, Communication Security

Post by mvanwink5 »

No need to wear a tinfoil hat anymore, we are safe... thank goodness we got rid of that pesky notion of privacy and the 5th amendment. :shock:

http://qz.com/91765/the-nsa-whistleblow ... onths-ago/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TuET0kpH ... r_embedded


Last December in an interview with Russia Today (video above), former NSA crypto-mathematician William Binney disclosed the extent to which he believed the US government was not only capable of, but actively engages in spying on internet data and web activity across the country. Binney said that the FBI has access to the emails of everyone in the US, holds a target list and monitors every email to and from those contained on the list.

If the interview was alarming in its suggestion then, it’s downright scary considering this evening’s report from the Washington Post and the Guardian that the US government has allegedly been mining data from eight of the world’s largest internet companies, including Google, Apple, Microsoft and others. (The report mentions nine companies; one of them, YouTube, is part of Google.)
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In the event they are solely gathering intelligence towards supporting the war authorized against AlQaeda and it's affiliates, no warrant has ever been required to prosecute a war. The 5th amendment deals with civil law and the civil courts and their actions.

The thing is, this administration has shown itself to not respect any actual constitutional limits. It limits itself only to the extent it thinks it can or can't get away with something.
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TD, The NSA is gathering everything. Is everything connected to terror? It was this way under both Bush and Obama, and has gotten worse. It is actually worth it to listen to the videos. Further to the point is that when the FBI who has access to this data base goes fishing, if anything political is stumbled upon it can be used. Hence the downfall of Petraeus, remember how that happened, emails? And looking for leaks? Has anybody a close relative that might have said something political and then has the IRS going over their tax returns?

Orwell had no way of knowing what the government could do, only what they would like to be able to do. We now have the ability to do everything they would desire, totally. But you are right, what's there to worry about?
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Yeah, 4th amendment.

None of it's okay, but it's 4th amendment (unreasonable search and seizure) not 5th (courts, self incrimination).

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The Guardian article itself states they are not looking at everything. It says they are looking at millions of calls. If they were looking at everything, it would be billions.

They are neccessarily being restrictive then to the tune of a factor of one in a thousand.
There also has never been a warrant requirement, for example, to see who is contacting whom. For better or worse it is a long-standing--no warrant required--principle of surveillance law that that is the same as reading the outside of an envelope.

A warrant is required to open the envelope
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Nice try.
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TDPerk wrote:It says they are looking at millions of calls. If they were looking at everything, it would be billions.
If they are only looking at 1/10 of 1%, why the massive collection of data never examined?

It won't help with tracking of who you're talking to, but tools like http://www.gnupg.org/ can keep snoops out of the content.
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If you do not encrypt you will get sipped. This is the unclass versions of what's out there not to mention predator and a host of others.like echelon and Room 641A most of this stuff is old school I would hate to think of what they can do now.
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Governments around the world are setting a trap for themselves by elimanating the notion of privacy. I've seen images reconstructed from the visial cortex by MRI's that are almost like the original, experiments have been conducted where signals are transmitted by wire between rat brains. Combine this type of technology and give it twenty years to evolve and humanity will have a single hive type mind where everybody has complete access to all the living memories of everybody else.

The government will push the tech and get trapped by it, suddenly it becomes impossible for the government to keep secrets, all covert ops, all assasinations, all conspiracies become exposed to humanity in it's entirety. But as the authorities like to say, if you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear.
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We are the Borg.
Resistance is futile.
You will be assimilated.

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Assimilate This! -- Worf.
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That would be the perfect irony if we turned out to be the Borg.
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Choff,
Politician emails are not excluded. Perhaps that is the reason for the proclivity for golf, sans cell phones.
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Suffice to say the NSA has the goods on the politicians, which is why they only have nice things to say about them.
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Here's something very bizarre for all the coincidence theorists out there to try. Spell illuminati backwars in your browser and add .com to the end, see where it takes you.

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cool
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