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Skipjack
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Re: You can't make this stuff up

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DeltaV wrote:You probably believe that Russia is no longer "Communist" either. I don't see much difference between the old CPSU Mafia and current Russian Mafia.

Seriously, a KGB Lt. Colonel running Russia since 1999?
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I'm not saying that the plan of long-term strategic deception (doctrinal split between Russia and China, Glasnost/Perestroika, Capitalist China, etc.) will definitely work, without the "camouflage" actually becoming the reality, just saying that the Communist "old guard" is still calling the shots behind the scenes, until that generation (Putin's) dies out. They still have a chance of success as long as the West remains in a trance state.
You are confusing communism with a dictatorship. Not all dictatorships are communist. China (and Russia to a lesser extent) are dictatorships, with a small group of oligarchs ruling over the masses. That does not mean that they are communist.

DeltaV
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Re: You can't make this stuff up

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Skipjack wrote:China (and Russia to a lesser extent) are dictatorships, with a small group of oligarchs ruling over the masses. That does not mean that they are communist.
"Communist", "Socialist", "Fascist", "Nationalist" are all just camouflage for dictatorships run by small groups of oligarchs.

In any event, you are wrong.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_Party_of_China
The Communist Party of China (CPC), also known as the Chinese Communist Party (CCP), is the founding and ruling political party of the People's Republic of China (PRC). Although nominally it exists alongside the United Front,[3] a coalition of governing political parties, in practice, the CPC is the only party in the PRC,[4] maintaining a unitary government and centralizing the state, military, and media.[5] The legal power of the Communist Party is guaranteed by the national constitution, though due to the Party's Leninist roots, it stands above the law.[5][6]
http://www.npc.gov.cn/englishnpc/Consti ... 372963.htm
Article 24
The State strengthens the building of a socialist society with an advanced culture and ideology by promoting education in high ideals, ethics, general knowledge, discipline and the legal system, and by promoting the formulation and observance of rules of conduct and common pledges by various sections of the people in urban and rural areas.

The State advocates the civic virtues of love of the motherland, of the people, of labour, of science and of socialism. It conducts education among the people in patriotism and collectivism, in internationalism and communism and in dialectical and historical materialism, to combat capitalist, feudal and other decadent ideas.

Skipjack
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Re: You can't make this stuff up

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The communist party of China is only communist by name these days. Have you seen how they treat their workers at companies like Foxcon? That is worse than capitalism in the 18hundreds. China is a capitalist, oligarch dictatorship.

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Re: You can't make this stuff up

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I would disagree on one part and say committee rather than a true dictatorship. and the 1800 with the company store is a very good example of how they are running things in china. You live in foxcon housing and eat in foxcon cafeteria paying room and board at foxcon prices and when apple made them give the workers a large wage it was all but taken up in price increases in the facility's that the employees were required to use to be employed.
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Skipjack
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Re: You can't make this stuff up

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paperburn1 wrote:I would disagree on one part and say committee rather than a true dictatorship. and the 1800 with the company store is a very good example of how they are running things in china. You live in foxcon housing and eat in foxcon cafeteria paying room and board at foxcon prices and when apple made them give the workers a large wage it was all but taken up in price increases in the facility's that the employees were required to use to be employed.
Ok, lets call it an oligarchy then. A few very wealthy and very powerful morons literally enslave the rest of the population for their own profit.
This is not communism, where the mob enslaves the intelligent and educated hard workers. Not that this is any better. But it is still not the same thing.

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