Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2013 2:03 am
Religious does not mean stupid. Plenty of religious scientists whether they be christian, jewish, muslim, hindu or whatever. There are plenty of non religious scientists too.
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are you really that frickin' thick?!? do you really not understand the basic concept of probability? i've even given you a scatter plot! how much clearer can i possibly make it?!? geez!JoeP wrote:Funny that the original Farnsworth was a Mormon IIRC.
Guess he was IQ impeded as well according to happyjack and didn't have the "mind for it" to develop anything successfully. Ah well.
Diogenes wrote:happyjack27 wrote:
touche. very good counter-example.
nonetheless, activity and growth in the anterior cingulate cortex and amigdyala tend to be mutually exclusive. in fact, the amigdyla has a tendency to hijack the higher cognitive functions.
But if one example is not sufficient, here are too many to name, among them Maxwell, Planck, Heisenberg, etc.
Tell that to the climate 'scientists' that got caught manipulating their data and models...They believe just as much as a religious person does, and they are willing to lie to push that belief. Of course I wasn't talking about organized religion, that's just another system used to manipulate people, but I see this same type of manipulation when it comes to politics too. People that don't have even a basic understanding of economics agreeing with policy they don't comprehend, for example.303 wrote:Religion deceives, science enlightens; that's quite a difference. Dogma in science can be overturned overnight by a good experiment and reasoning, good luck overturning religious dogma in the same manner.
That's not to say a scientist can't be 'spiritual, but a 'religious scientist (as stubby puts it) isn't really applying the same rules to their beliefs as to their science, somewhat convieniently;
As for the example so readily praised, In times gone by, it could be quite dangerous to ones health/career to profess to atheism, and religion was de facto the norm; even now kids are made to do religious education at school, its hardly suprising that scientists from 100-300 years ago are tagged 'religious'
And lets not forget "that's where the money was at. " church's had funded many projects during that time and we all know that a scientist would do just about anything to get funding up to and including selling his mom for funding. (sorry mom)303 wrote:
As for the example so readily praised, In times gone by, it could be quite dangerous to ones health/career to profess to atheism, and religion was de facto the norm; even now kids are made to do religious education at school, its hardly suprising that scientists from 100-300 years ago are tagged 'religious'
You made an absolute statement, against which a single contradicting example is sufficient. If you want to reduce the level of sarcasm aimed against you, you might try restating your original argument. You are getting responses outside the framework of probability because your original statement was made outside of that same framework.happyjack27 wrote:are you really that frickin' thick?!? do you really not understand the basic concept of probability?JoeP wrote:Funny that the original Farnsworth was a Mormon IIRC.
Guess he was IQ impeded as well according to happyjack and didn't have the "mind for it" to develop anything successfully. Ah well.
The important part of your post is the word 'caught'. Other scientists proved them wrong. Anyone can lie, for whatever reasons like funding or dogma, but eventually they get outed.easyBob wrote:Tell that to the climate 'scientists' that got caught manipulating their data and models...They believe just as much as a religious person does, and they are willing to lie to push that belief. Of course I wasn't talking about organized religion, that's just another system used to manipulate people, but I see this same type of manipulation when it comes to politics too. People that don't have even a basic understanding of economics agreeing with policy they don't comprehend, for example.303 wrote:Religion deceives, science enlightens; that's quite a difference. Dogma in science can be overturned overnight by a good experiment and reasoning, good luck overturning religious dogma in the same manner.
That's not to say a scientist can't be 'spiritual, but a 'religious scientist (as stubby puts it) isn't really applying the same rules to their beliefs as to their science, somewhat [conveniently];
As for the example so readily praised, In times gone by, it could be quite dangerous to ones health/career to profess to atheism, and religion was [de facto] the norm; even now kids are made to do religious education at school, its hardly [surprising] that scientists from 100-300 years ago are tagged 'religious'
You'll never separate belief and science from the individual. It's in our nature. Besides, we all believe in something, even if it's just our selves.
Caught, yes, outed, not yet. Mann is still in a position of authority at Va Tech IIRC, and the climate 'scientists' that had their emails hacked and released are still working too, again, IIRC.Stubby wrote:The important part of your post is the word 'caught'. Other scientists proved them wrong. Anyone can lie, for whatever reasons like funding or dogma, but eventually they get outed.
incorrect.dnavas wrote:You made an absolute statement, against which a single contradicting example is sufficient. If you want to reduce the level of sarcasm aimed against you, you might try restating your original argument. You are getting responses outside the framework of probability because your original statement was made outside of that same framework.happyjack27 wrote:are you really that frickin' thick?!? do you really not understand the basic concept of probability?JoeP wrote:Funny that the original Farnsworth was a Mormon IIRC.
Guess he was IQ impeded as well according to happyjack and didn't have the "mind for it" to develop anything successfully. Ah well.
this was talking about an individual person, and a specific activity. an acitvity that shows not only devout religion but exteme dogmatism. an extremely dogmatic mind that, that consciously engages in repetitive activity with no evidence to justify it.ah, but it says he goes to church regularly.
so clearly he doesn't have the mind for it. ah well.
your rebuttle here follows my links to empirical data that shows a that higher iq leads to a higher likelihood of aethism, in the wikipedia article. that is in fact the only place where i mentioned iq or presented information that mentions iq. so it is the only thing you can be referring to, assuming, that is, that you are referring to something i said or presented.dnavas wrote:You made an absolute statement, against which a single contradicting example is sufficient. If you want to reduce the level of sarcasm aimed against you, you might try restating your original argument. You are getting responses outside the framework of probability because your original statement was made outside of that same framework.happyjack27 wrote:are you really that frickin' thick?!? do you really not understand the basic concept of probability?JoeP wrote:Funny that the original Farnsworth was a Mormon IIRC.
Guess he was IQ impeded as well according to happyjack and didn't have the "mind for it" to develop anything successfully. Ah well.