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UK should begin decriminalising drugs, say Richard Branson and Nick Clegg

Virgin founder and deputy prime minister argue that ‘war on drugs’ has failed and urge UK to follow Portuguese example

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A drug dealer poses with cannabis products as he waits for customers in downtown Lisbon. Photograph: Francisco Seco/AP

We have been losing the war on drugs for four decades – end it now

Nick Clegg and Richard Branson

Sir Richard Branson and Nick Clegg are urging the UK to begin decriminalising the use and possession of almost all drugs, following the example of Portugal.

The Virgin founder and deputy prime minister are to address a conference on fighting drug addiction on Wednesday, and in a Guardian article they argue that the “war on drugs” has failed.

“As an investment, the war on drugs has failed to deliver any returns,” they write. “If it were a business, it would have been shut down a long time ago. This is not what success looks like.

“The idea of eradicating drugs from the world by waging a war on those who use them is fundamentally flawed for one simple reason: it doesn’t reduce drug taking
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“The Home Office’s own research, commissioned by Liberal Democrats in government and published a few months ago, found there is no apparent correlation between the ‘toughness’ of a country’s approach and the prevalence of adult drug use.

“This devastating conclusion means that we are wasting our scarce resources, and on a grand scale.”


Branson has always made a point of not endorsing party politics, but is willing to endorse specific campaigns, and as a member on the global commission on drugs policy has called for an international rethink on drugs laws.

In their article, they argue: “The status quo is a colossal con perpetrated on the public by politicians who are too scared to break the taboo.”

Portugal decriminalised all drugs at the turn of the century. In the nearly 15 years since, the country has seen drug abuse drop by half, with the money previously spent on prohibition enforcement spent instead on reconnecting drug addicts with society.

In Clegg’s clearest endorsement of the Portuguese experiment, they say: “We should look to Portugal which removed criminal penalties for drug possession in 2001.


“Portugal’s reforms have not – as many predicted – led to an increase in drug use. Instead, they have allowed resources to be re-directed towards the treatment system, with dramatic reductions in addiction, HIV infections and drug-related deaths.

“Drugs remain illegal and socially unacceptable, as they should be, but drug users are dealt with through the civil rather than the criminal law.


“Anyone who is arrested for drug possession is immediately assessed and sent for treatment or education. If they fail to engage, they have to pay a fine.”

Portuguese citizens are allowed to purchase and possess 1g of heroin, 2g of cocaine, 25g of marijuana leaves or 5g of hashish.

They write: “The Portuguese system works, and on an issue as important as this, where lives are at stake, governments cannot afford to ignore the evidence. We should set up pilots to test and develop a British version of the Portuguese model.”

But the Centre for Social Justice, a charity closely associated with the work and pensions secretary, Iain Duncan Smith, claimed charities on the front line in the struggle against drug addiction are opposed to decriminalisation.

In recent CSJ research, nearly three-quarters of charities surveyed were concerned about the effect cannabis use had on their clients and families. More than half (56%) felt the decriminalisation of cannabis would lead to an increase in its use. Less than a quarter (23%) thought it would not.

Commenting on the findings, Christian Guy, director of the CSJ, said: “Drug addiction is ripping Britain’s poorest communities apart. Our network of 300 front-line charities sees this on a daily basis.


“Many are right to be worried that liberalising cannabis laws will lead to more people taking drugs and developing harder use.

“Politicians need to listen to these experts. They are the people who witness the devastating impact of drugs in our poorest neighbourhoods day in, day out.”



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Yes, the Drug War is in Practice Deliberately Racist and Classist


An interesting video interview from Brave New Films features former Drug Enforcement Administration agent and federal marshal Matthew Fogg, speaking from his experience about the class and race aspects of how the drug war is fought.

An excerpt from what he said on camera:


"When...we were setting up all of our drug and gun and addiction task force determining what cities we were going to hit, I would notice that most of the time it always appeared to be urban areas.

That’s when I asked the question, well, don’t they sell drugs out in Potomac and Springfield, and places like that? Maybe you all think they don’t, but statistics show they use more drugs out in those areas than anywhere.

The special agent in charge, he says “You know, if we go out there and start messing with those folks, they know judges, they know lawyers, they know politicians. You start locking their kids up, somebody’s going to jerk our chain.” He said they’re going to call us on it, and before you know it, they’re going to shut us down, and there goes your overtime.


What I began to see is that the drug war is totally about race. If we were locking up everybody, white and black, for doing the same drugs, they would have done the same thing they did with prohibition. They would have outlawed it. They would have said, “Let’s stop this craziness. You’re not putting my son in jail. My daughter isn’t going to jail.”

The phenomenon Fogg discusses is more ultimately about class than race, but the two are interlinked in America so thoroughly that's an understandable conflation.







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I have been posting a different Matt Fogg video with essentially the same information to this site for years. Roundly ignored.

http://youtu.be/HmgeCeGk--I

Our Prohibitionists are Special People. They have learned nothing and they have forgotten nothing.

So lets see:

1. Race War - check
2. War on the sick - check

All done in the name of Christian morals. The end of Prohibition will be another nail in the coffin of Christianity in America. Way to go my "moral" friends.

And it is not like it was unintentional:

"Look, we understood we couldn't make it illegal to be young or poor or black in the United States, but we could criminalize their common pleasure. We understood that drugs were not the health problem we were making them out to be, but it was such a perfect issue...that we couldn't resist it." - John Ehrlichman, White House counsel to President Nixon on the rationale of the War on Drugs.

"[Nixon] emphasized that you have to face the fact that the whole problem is really the blacks" Haldeman, his Chief of Staff wrote, "The key is to devise a system that recognizes this while not appearing to."

The Reagan administration tried to suppress the finding that cannabis is effective against cancer. They shut down all research in that area and tried to get all the papers already done removed from the various archives. You can look it up.
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Another Dope addict high on drugs gets shot by Police.




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…This so called “gentle giant” was high on suspected hallucinagenics, and in a violent, volitile rage, walking down the streets of madison battering citizens, whom were frantically calling 911 for police assistance.

This out of control, violent man, high on acid hallucinagenic drugs, which not only gave him super human strength but made him impervious to pain, than battered a peace officer. Yes a peace officer who’s job that night was to protect the citizens screaming for help, and to protect the community from further harm from this man.

Again a man who made the choice to consume quantities of drugs, that made him a mad man, who was on a mission to critically harm others in his path”….


http://www.floppingaces.net/most-wanted ... e-efforts/


His "twitter" account also contains a picture (Presumably of him) wreathed in weed smoke.
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Diogenes wrote:His "twitter" account also contains a picture (Presumably of him) wreathed in weed smoke.[/url]
I'm curious, do you think this sort of thing ever happens with folks who aren't stoned? I'd bet there are numbers so close to 100% dopers do this, that the media is embarrassed to report it. They habitually don't report when violent criminals are apprehended and high, because of this sick, twisted need to justify Cannabis use. If people knew all the people causing trouble on the streets in the inner cities, are high, they would put an end to the disease.
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Diogenes wrote:Another Dope addict high on drugs gets shot by Police.
Too bad he wasn't an alcohol addict high on alcohol. He would have been safe.

But dopers? Shoot on sight.

I look forward to:

"I felt threatened"
"Reaching for his waistband"
"Furtive movement"
"Failure to comply"

Fortunately there are no witnesses. But there will be an investigation.
According to the Twin Cities Pioneer Press, the officer, Matt Kenny, radioed in that he was going to check on the upstairs apartment just 20 seconds before the shooting.
http://reason.com/blog/2015/03/09/madis ... ts-unarmed
The Madison police need more practice. Police in Cleveland got Tamir Rice two seconds after arriving on the scene. And Tamir was a Black kid with a fake gun (reported as such to the police). But hell. He was Black. It is very likely coulda been high on drugs. Probably meth. That meth gives Blacks extraordinary strength. Just like cocaine only worse. Good shoot.

It is rather a shame that we didn't shoot all those white folks legally high on meth in the 50s. People back then were too stupid to see how dangerous meth was. Fortunately for all of us they wised up.

There are only 30 million dopers in the country. We could kill them all in a few years and greatly improve the country. The Germans proved you could round up and kill a million or two a year. With greatly improved American technology we could solve the doper problem in five years or less. If we had the will.

And better? In such a scheme Blacks would be the first targets. We could solve dope and race with one fell swoop.

Too bad the best proponent of such a scheme - Newt Gingrich - has gone over to the other side.

And the very best part? You could probably easyily get a non-doper legalizer like me in the mix and permanently shut me up. We need to get tougher on drug users. Pee in a bottle and pass the test or you will be put on a train. That will fix the problem once and for all.

I'm surprised none of the Republicans running for President has made such a proposal. Cowards.
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Actually the very first people we need to go after are the former combat soldiers touting pot for PTSD. They are setting a very bad example.
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If you were preaching to people all with an IQ under 60, your arguments would be persuasive. As is, they're just insulting that you think they should obtain. For instance:
Too bad he wasn't an alcohol addict high on alcohol. He would have been safe.

But dopers? Shoot on sight.
How can anyone tell who is on what drug on sight? Were you stoned when you wrote this? You get an "F" in rhetoric. Please insult us no more.
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GIThruster wrote:If you were preaching to people all with an IQ under 60, your arguments would be persuasive. As is, they're just insulting that you think they should obtain. For instance:
Too bad he wasn't an alcohol addict high on alcohol. He would have been safe.

But dopers? Shoot on sight.
How can anyone tell who is on what drug on sight? Were you stoned when you wrote this? You get an "F" in rhetoric. Please insult us no more.
Another Dope addict high on drugs gets shot by Police.
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So you are stoned.

There is no way the police could know on sight, as you suggest; that someone is high on Cannabis and should therefore be shot.

Do you understand that when you post up idiotic stuff like this each day, you confirm the thesis that dope makes dopes of people, and especially you, and this is the reason people should avoid it and it should be illegal? You prove this thesis each time you post up an idiotic post like this, which is nearly daily.
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What get's me is how people smart enough to grow Hydroponic pot are dumb enough to do it. There's a higher markup in legitimate operations plus you don't have the legal fees and security issues.

http://www.tnonline.com/2011/jun/18/mil ... -al-capone

We've been in the wrong racket right along!

http://www.profitableplants.com/can-you ... mushrooms/

So let’s do the math. Oyster mushrooms are currently selling for about $7 a pound. If you’d like to make $600 a week growing mushrooms, that means you’ll need to grow about 100 pounds a week. How much room will you need? To grow 100 pounds a week you’ll need a growing area that is about 200 to 250 square feet. Using the “hanging bag” growing method, that’s all it takes.

Hydroponics gives 100 times field yields

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The phenomenon Fogg discusses is more ultimately about class than race, but the two are interlinked in America so thoroughly that's an understandable conflation.
Yeah this happens a lot. What is really a class issue gets turned into a race one by the left in their constant struggle to paint everyone as either for them or against them.

Anyway they need to just legalize it already. It's not financially viable to keep prohibiting such a large market demand. Socially it's not pragmatic, it's obviously not working when cannabis is so easily available even in super tough "zero tolerance" states.

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palladin9479 wrote:Anyway they need to just legalize it already. It's not financially viable to keep prohibiting such a large market demand. Socially it's not pragmatic, it's obviously not working when cannabis is so easily available even in super tough "zero tolerance" states.
I'm surprised anyone thinks that argument obtains. You know one can just as easily make it for legalizing child pornography, or dog fighting, and lots of other things we also prohibit. Prohibition is never about economics. Why do the anti-prohibitionists always pretend it is so?
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GIThruster wrote:
palladin9479 wrote:Anyway they need to just legalize it already. It's not financially viable to keep prohibiting such a large market demand. Socially it's not pragmatic, it's obviously not working when cannabis is so easily available even in super tough "zero tolerance" states.
I'm surprised anyone thinks that argument obtains. You know one can just as easily make it for legalizing child pornography, or dog fighting, and lots of other things we also prohibit. Prohibition is never about economics. Why do the anti-prohibitionists always pretend it is so?
It all depends on the size of the market. Directing punishment against 100,000 child pornographers is not very expensive.

Now consider the active 30 to 45 million cannabis users. About 3% of those run afoul of the law every rear.

Wouldn't it be better to direct that effort against robbers and other miscreants? We are now at the point where 54% of Americans think so. And that number is still rising. The floor is the 63% of young Republicans in favor of ending Prohibition.

Prohibition is about punishing the people you can catch. You can't catch many and even of those you catch you can't afford the punishment despite the largest gulag in the world - ever.

We now have had 24 years of Presidents who made "a youthful mistake" and avoided punishment. One law for the connected another for the poor. It is unseemly. It is racist in effect. It won't last. And the last people holding the bag will get the racist tag - despite the law's origination in leftist racism.

Why any one would want to hang on to it at this time other than the financial rewards is beyond me.

But there are people out there who believe denying sick people medicine is moral.

What is even more hilarious is seeing the right defend a law designed to implement leftist racism.

And just to keep on target:

"Look, we understood we couldn't make it illegal to be young or poor or black in the United States, but we could criminalize their common pleasure. We understood that drugs were not the health problem we were making them out to be, but it was such a perfect issue...that we couldn't resist it." - John Ehrlichman, White House counsel to President Nixon on the rationale of the War on Drugs.

And the suckers fell for it. And are still falling for it. Because morality.
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GIThruster wrote:
Diogenes wrote:His "twitter" account also contains a picture (Presumably of him) wreathed in weed smoke.[/url]
I'm curious, do you think this sort of thing ever happens with folks who aren't stoned? I'd bet there are numbers so close to 100% dopers do this, that the media is embarrassed to report it. They habitually don't report when violent criminals are apprehended and high, because of this sick, twisted need to justify Cannabis use. If people knew all the people causing trouble on the streets in the inner cities, are high, they would put an end to the disease.

It has been my experience that most people who do criminal stuff also smoke dope. Certainly all the actual criminals I have known in my life do.


Odds are that when someone does something criminal and stupid, he's a doper. Here is another example.

Florida man fatally shoots friend while smoking weed, taking photos with gun

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Three Florida men were smoking marijuana and posing for photos with a gun when one dope accidentally shot and killed his friend, according to a report.


http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nationa ... -1.2143988
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