What are you going to do about it?

[rj40]

So I have been skimming the other posts under the General topic and it seems folks think things are grim, bleak and the outlook is negative. As me old man would say when I found myself at a low point, "What are ya' DO about it?"

Anyone plan to take action in addition to posting to a board where many people already agree with you? Maybe you already post to other boards - boards that aren't so friendly but where you might change some minds.

Anything else?

[paperburn1]

So I have been skimming the other posts under the General topic and it seems folks think things are grim, bleak and the outlook is negative. As me old man would say when I found myself at a low point, "What are ya' DO about it?"

Anyone plan to take action in addition to posting to a board where many people already agree with you? Maybe you already post to other boards - boards that aren't so friendly but where you might change some minds.

Anything else?

the political proccess does work if you activly involved

[Diogenes]

So I have been skimming the other posts under the General topic and it seems folks think things are grim, bleak and the outlook is negative. As me old man would say when I found myself at a low point, "What are ya' DO about it?"

Anyone plan to take action in addition to posting to a board where many people already agree with you? Maybe you already post to other boards - boards that aren't so friendly but where you might change some minds.

Anything else?

The ship has already hit the iceberg, it is no longer worthwhile to argue about the course heading. Now is the time to look for lifeboats and provisions and get prepared to bludgeon and repel anyone trying to get into your lifeboat.


Seriously, I thought the situation was grim prior to the election. Romney (who I don't like, and never liked) represented the last plausible chance at stopping the economic damage which is occurring. That chance has now been thrown away, and all that is left to do is to see if bits and pieces of the country can be salvaged while trying to prevent as many deaths as possible. (In the salvageable parts of the nation.)


The US Dollar is going to kill us because we let idiots screw with it. As it is illegal to use anything else, it pretty much seals our ugly fate.

[Diogenes]

So I have been skimming the other posts under the General topic and it seems folks think things are grim, bleak and the outlook is negative. As me old man would say when I found myself at a low point, "What are ya' DO about it?"

Anyone plan to take action in addition to posting to a board where many people already agree with you? Maybe you already post to other boards - boards that aren't so friendly but where you might change some minds.

Anything else?

the political proccess does work if you activly involved

Yes, but not like you think.

[hanelyp]

the political proccess does work if you activly involved

Democracy works well enough when the electorate is lead by wisdom and virtue. When they have the short sightedness to vote for theft from others to support themselves, we're seeing the result.

[ScottL]

Out of curiousity when is the full collapse to happen? Is there a time frame or is it a moving figure? 5 months? 10 years? 50 years? 100?

[williatw]

So I have been skimming the other posts under the General topic and it seems folks think things are grim, bleak and the outlook is negative. As me old man would say when I found myself at a low point, "What are ya' DO about it?"

Anyone plan to take action in addition to posting to a board where many people already agree with you? Maybe you already post to other boards - boards that aren't so friendly but where you might change some minds.

Anything else?

the political proccess does work if you activly involved

Yes, but not like you think.

Well if there was ever much of a chance I would support gun control, things likes that take care of that. We are the little people, laws are for us people like him are our betters. Blatant violation of the law, even though they actually asked for permission to display the banned magazine, it was denied them, but they defiantly did it anyway. The response on the part of the media to even the suggestion that this was a police matter..."this is an outrage; he obviously didn't have any criminal intent". Elites like them will have guns themselves and/or armed guards if the worst happens; furthermore they are the sort that cops arrive in 3-5 minutes if they need them. The rest of us are lucky to get 20-30 minutes. Sometimes they don't show up at all. The one time growing up my family needed to call the police in the crap ass neighborhood I lived in it took 2hrs for the cops to show up, by which time the problem luckily was resolved peacefully(barely). If you are correct and the worse happens, the only thing left to keep the peace when the bankrupt government just stops answering most people calls for help would be the armed law abiding citizens forming their own militias. In that case that would be the only thing stopping things from going the way of the "Mad Max" scenario...interesting to me that they envisioned that happening in disarmed Australia.

[Diogenes]

Out of curiousity when is the full collapse to happen? Is there a time frame or is it a moving figure? 5 months? 10 years? 50 years? 100?

The boom of the 1920s continued until it stopped. Abruptly. It took everyone by surprise.

An Economic chain reaction works very similar to a fission chain reaction. A more sensible pastime would be recognizing that the conditions for an economic chain reaction have slowly been put into place.


The Sword of Damocles drops when it drops.

[JoeP]

Out of curiousity when is the full collapse to happen? Is there a time frame or is it a moving figure? 5 months? 10 years? 50 years? 100?

The boom of the 1920s continued until it stopped. Abruptly. It took everyone by surprise.

An Economic chain reaction works very similar to a fission chain reaction. A more sensible pastime would be recognizing that the conditions for an economic chain reaction have slowly been put into place.


The Sword of Damocles drops when it drops.

I don't see it as happening so suddenly. More like a decline that we can never seem to stop.

I think the most plausible scenario of how the breakdown will happen will be that the US becomes more fractured into areas that are still functioning, and other areas that will be utterly fallen wastelands of crime, poverty, and violence. Europe too, for the most part will also resemble this patchwork.

Thus, the example to take care of your own communities and neighborhoods as best as you can, and to provide for yourselves as best as you can.

I see it taking 25 years for the full effects. Almost everyone, except the very rich and the elites will suffer serious drops in the standard of living. Functioning "middle class" households will once again include multi-generational members as very few will be able to afford homes for nuclear family units.

Extreme violence in the bad areas and on the borders of each will be the norm. People will give up on the dream of a melting pot for good and everything is going to resemble a sort of tribalism, very roughly drawn along racial, ethnic, and class lines.

Real poverty will again exist. So there will be actual starving poor and disease again. The fat "poor" phase will be looked back upon wistfully. We will likely lose the antibiotic war and all the old diseases will wreak destruction in the hopeless areas. Whole cities might even get quarantined off for periods of time.

The third world will get even worse and continue to export hopeless people all around the world. The oil barons of the middle east will eventually lose their wealth and those counties will also slide back into barbarism and endless war. The "Arab Winter."

You see the impetus for all these things today. The lack of wealth and the crushing public debt acts as the best form of accelerant.

Nevertheless it won't be all bad. There will still be millions of people that will have decent enough lives, when compared to the historical calamities. Areas and states that have a functioning economy will become more insular. We won't give up on our mechanized agriculture, for example. So there will be food and fuel for that, even if it is 10x as expensive as it is now.

There even could be a rebirth of a sort someday. Such things are usually only possible after a collapse. So there may be a really nice light at the end of this tunnel.

[ScottL]

Out of curiousity when is the full collapse to happen? Is there a time frame or is it a moving figure? 5 months? 10 years? 50 years? 100?

The boom of the 1920s continued until it stopped. Abruptly. It took everyone by surprise.

An Economic chain reaction works very similar to a fission chain reaction. A more sensible pastime would be recognizing that the conditions for an economic chain reaction have slowly been put into place.


The Sword of Damocles drops when it drops.

That sounds an awful lot like a Nostradamus predictions. Sometime, somewhere, something is going to happen....

[ScottL]

Out of curiousity when is the full collapse to happen? Is there a time frame or is it a moving figure? 5 months? 10 years? 50 years? 100?

The boom of the 1920s continued until it stopped. Abruptly. It took everyone by surprise.

An Economic chain reaction works very similar to a fission chain reaction. A more sensible pastime would be recognizing that the conditions for an economic chain reaction have slowly been put into place.


The Sword of Damocles drops when it drops.

I don't see it as happening so suddenly. More like a decline that we can never seem to stop.

I think the most plausible scenario of how the breakdown will happen will be that the US becomes more fractured into areas that are still functioning, and other areas that will be utterly fallen wastelands of crime, poverty, and violence. Europe too, for the most part will also resemble this patchwork.

Thus, the example to take care of your own communities and neighborhoods as best as you can, and to provide for yourselves as best as you can.

I see it taking 25 years for the full effects. Almost everyone, except the very rich and the elites will suffer serious drops in the standard of living. Functioning "middle class" households will once again include multi-generational members as very few will be able to afford homes for nuclear family units.

Extreme violence in the bad areas and on the borders of each will be the norm. People will give up on the dream of a melting pot for good and everything is going to resemble a sort of tribalism, very roughly drawn along racial, ethnic, and class lines.

Real poverty will again exist. So there will be actual starving poor and disease again. The fat "poor" phase will be looked back upon wistfully. We will likely lose the antibiotic war and all the old diseases will wreak destruction in the hopeless areas. Whole cities might even get quarantined off for periods of time.

The third world will get even worse and continue to export hopeless people all around the world. The oil barons of the middle east will eventually lose their wealth and those counties will also slide back into barbarism and endless war. The "Arab Winter."

You see the impetus for all these things today. The lack of wealth and the crushing public debt acts as the best form of accelerant.

Nevertheless it won't be all bad. There will still be millions of people that will have decent enough lives, when compared to the historical calamities. Areas and states that have a functioning economy will become more insular. We won't give up on our mechanized agriculture, for example. So there will be food and fuel for that, even if it is 10x as expensive as it is now.

There even could be a rebirth of a sort someday. Such things are usually only possible after a collapse. So there may be a really nice light at the end of this tunnel.

I'd assume States that have traditionally been able to pay more in taxes than they receive aid from the federal gov't. are the likely "survivors" in the event of an economic collapse. That and States with large oil deposits like Alaska and California.

[Diogenes]

Out of curiousity when is the full collapse to happen? Is there a time frame or is it a moving figure? 5 months? 10 years? 50 years? 100?

The boom of the 1920s continued until it stopped. Abruptly. It took everyone by surprise.

An Economic chain reaction works very similar to a fission chain reaction. A more sensible pastime would be recognizing that the conditions for an economic chain reaction have slowly been put into place.


The Sword of Damocles drops when it drops.

That sounds an awful lot like a Nostradamus predictions. Sometime, somewhere, something is going to happen....

Yeah, like predicting an ice age. The fact that we can't get within plus or minus a few thousand years must mean that there is nothing to such predictions. The fact that they have happened as far back as the geological record can indicate is irrelevant. It's not going to happen THIS time.

[Diogenes]

I'd assume States that have traditionally been able to pay more in taxes than they receive aid from the federal gov't. are the likely "survivors" in the event of an economic collapse. That and States with large oil deposits like Alaska and California.

Depends on how they earn their money which they pay into the treasury. States which rely on Industries which largely function on non-tangibles (Banking, Movies, etc.) I suspect will do poorly.

When the wolf knocks on the door, the first thing to die is bullsh*t.

[hanelyp]

Alaska and Texas would survive, cutting out the federal government if needed. California, at least the high population density left leaning areas, will be devastated by a mix of economic collapse, violent crime, and plagues.

Presuming the power grabbers avoid certain triggers, a decline over several years in the socialist dominated regions is most likely. On the other hand, something like an attempt to disarm "we the people" or open censorship of descent would be taking a match to a tinderbox.

Projecting the future is tricky, clouded by many uncertainties.

[Diogenes]

I'd assume States that have traditionally been able to pay more in taxes than they receive aid from the federal gov't. are the likely "survivors" in the event of an economic collapse. That and States with large oil deposits like Alaska and California.

By the way, how IS the weather in beautiful sunny California?