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My Daughter Went To A Ron Paul Rally

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At a very large midwestern university (ChemE major). She reported a very large and enthusiastic crowd. She lamented that too many of them would not show up to vote.

But that is OK. Political patterns develop in the 20s and start to impact voting in the 30s.

Time is on my side. The question being is - will there be enough time?

Reports I have read say Ron is doing 2X as well this time vs 2008.

Fortunately idiots like me and my daughter are unnecessary for a Republican victory and thus can safely be ignored.
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Re: My Daughter Went To A Ron Paul Rally

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MSimon wrote:
Time is on my side. The question being is - will there be enough time?
Demographically, of course, the answer is NO. Social liberals, your own personal fecudity not withstanding, tend to average about 0.8 children per woman while conservatives average 3. Those who are neither fall in the American average, which Latino illegals not withstanding is ~1.8.

Meanwhile despite owning Hollywood, the media, and the academy and child education, social liberals are apparently doing a poorer job of passing on their own values to their (fewer) children than conservatives.

What this means is that 50 years hence it is likely to be a much more socially conservative society than present.
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cuddihy wrote:
MSimon wrote:
Time is on my side. The question being is - will there be enough time?
Demographically, of course, the answer is NO. Social liberals, your own personal fecudity not withstanding, tend to average about 0.8 children per woman while conservatives average 3. Those who are neither fall in the American average, which Latino illegals not withstanding is ~1.8.

Meanwhile despite owning Hollywood, the media, and the academy and child education, social liberals are apparently doing a poorer job of passing on their own values to their (fewer) children than conservatives.

What this means is that 50 years hence it is likely to be a much more socially conservative society than present.
Maybe so. But for the next 10 years and following that for at least another 10 years libertarians will be increasing their influence. And who knows - the popularity of "using government for ..." may decline all around. Once a few rocks are properly uncovered.

Any way - I wouldn't knock it. Even a partial win (fiscal conservative) for you is better than the status quo.
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MSimon wrote:At a very large midwestern university (ChemE major). She reported a very large and enthusiastic crowd. She lamented that too many of them would not show up to vote.

But that is OK. Political patterns develop in the 20s and start to impact voting in the 30s.

Time is on my side. The question being is - will there be enough time?

Reports I have read say Ron is doing 2X as well this time vs 2008.

Fortunately idiots like me and my daughter are unnecessary for a Republican victory and thus can safely be ignored.

You do know that Ron Paul is widely believed to be Anti-Semitic?
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cuddihy wrote:
MSimon wrote:
Time is on my side. The question being is - will there be enough time?
Demographically, of course, the answer is NO. Social liberals, your own personal fecudity not withstanding, tend to average about 0.8 children per woman while conservatives average 3. Those who are neither fall in the American average, which Latino illegals not withstanding is ~1.8.

Meanwhile despite owning Hollywood, the media, and the academy and child education, social liberals are apparently doing a poorer job of passing on their own values to their (fewer) children than conservatives.

What this means is that 50 years hence it is likely to be a much more socially conservative society than present.

I have tried to make this point many times myself. Perhaps it is clearer when you explain it. :)
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Post by bennmann »

I voted for Ron Paul in my county. Ron Paul has a strong chance of winning if the election of the republican candidates goes to a brokered convention (IF Romney doesn't get enough delegates right off the bat) because his supporters are using the GOP rules to gain delegates that do not reflect caucuses and polls:

http://open.salon.com/blog/kenn_jacobin ... be_working

His grass roots support and lawyer-like supporters are doing amazing things to put him in office. Do not lose hope for socially conservative sooner rather than later.

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Post by choff »

I found it interesting to compare candidate Ron Paul's ideas regarding the gold standard with candidate Bill Still's greenbacker ideas.

As a hobby, reading about unconventional science, cults, conspiracies etc. is a lot of fun. Unfortunately I see a lot of perfectly entertaining conspiracy theories being ruined by AntiSemantic editing and rebranding.
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Diogenes wrote: You do know that Ron Paul is widely believed to be Anti-Semitic?
By whom, Romneyites?

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choff, what do you think of this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ljxQn5nm8A

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KitemanSA wrote:
Diogenes wrote: You do know that Ron Paul is widely believed to be Anti-Semitic?
By whom, Romneyites?

Oh geeze, who's not saying it? Ace of Spades, Hot Air, Doug Ross, Instapundit... I can't think of a website that hasn't mentioned his anti-semitic behavior. I can assure you that Ace of Ace of Spades is no Romney supporter.

Anti-Semitic-ism aside, Ron Paul is just another Ross Perot in my opinion.
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Diogenes wrote: Oh geeze, who's not saying it? Ace of Spades, Hot Air, Doug Ross, Instapundit... I can't think of a website that hasn't mentioned his anti-semitic behavior. I can assure you that Ace of Ace of Spades is no Romney supporter.
Hate to do this to you, but I don't frequent any of those sites so if you can provide a link for each, specifically to mention of RP AS, I would appreciate it. I tried searching but none of the sites seem to have a decent search method. Hell, I even tried to source search, but nothing.
Diogenes wrote: Anti-Semitic-ism aside, Ron Paul is just another Ross Perot in my opinion.
Except he isn't buying his way on, he seems to be developing vocal, young, enthusiastic supporters. If he had the, what was it? $50M? in today's dollars of personal money that Perot dumped into his own campaign, Paul may be running away with the RepNom.

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bennmann wrote:choff, what do you think of this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ljxQn5nm8A
Nothing unusual about it, after all Israel has approx. 200 nuclear warheads, if Iran wants to commit suicide by cop it's their funeral. A more restrained approach would be to target the Anniversay of the Revolution parade in Tehran. Carpet bombing the Nuremburg rally in the 30's would have saved a lot of bother.
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Post by CaptainBeowulf »

Do you guys have solid statistics on to what extent children follow the voting patterns of their parents? My personal anecdotal experience suggests that kids often as not turn against their parents' political views, so a lot of those children of social conservatives may turn into liberals.

It seems to me that part of the shift left starting in the 1960s happened because baby boomers "rebelled" against the more conservative views of preceding generations?

Although, I admit I have also noticed anecdotally that people born in the 1970s are often more conservative than those born in the 1950s and 1960s (the 1970s kids are frequently the offspring of people who were teenagers in the 1940s, 1950s and early 1960s, before the hippies), while the current kids born in the mid to late 1980s and after tend to be more leftist (and their parents would frequently have been 1960s and 1970s teenage hippies). So, maybe it does track from parents to children a bit.

Of course, some of the hippies would also have had kids while being teenagers themselves in the late 60s and 70s as a result of "free love," but I'm not counting those. I'm counting the average mainstream middle to upper middle class North American who, post 1960s, would probably have children between their late 20s to early 40s.

Also, I'll note that I first voted when I was 18 or 19 (can't quite remember how old I was now) and continued fairly consistently after that, but I guess that the "political habits form in the 20s, have an effect when people are in their 30s" holds for most.

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KitemanSA wrote:
Diogenes wrote: Oh geeze, who's not saying it? Ace of Spades, Hot Air, Doug Ross, Instapundit... I can't think of a website that hasn't mentioned his anti-semitic behavior. I can assure you that Ace of Ace of Spades is no Romney supporter.
Hate to do this to you, but I don't frequent any of those sites so if you can provide a link for each, specifically to mention of RP AS, I would appreciate it. I tried searching but none of the sites seem to have a decent search method. Hell, I even tried to source search, but nothing.



Here is Ace of Spades: (one of his commentaries)

http://ace.mu.nu/archives/325259.php


Here is Hot Air:

http://hotair.com/archives/2011/12/21/q ... e-day-894/


Here is Doug Ross:

http://directorblue.blogspot.com/2011/1 ... known.html



Here is Instapundit: (i.e. PJMedia which is his project)

http://pjmedia.com/ronradosh/2011/12/20 ... -campaign/




And here are a few assorted others:


http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atla ... -atta.html

http://www.americanconservativedaily.co ... ti-semite/


http://minx.cc/?post=324240


http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-blo ... 2815/posts


http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/gin ... 14920.html


http://www.debbieschlussel.com/45537/ro ... g-for-him/

http://www.redstate.com/mikeymike143/20 ... %E2%80%9D/


All of the above are from Conservative/right leaning websites. The Liberal/Left websites also say he's an anti-semite.


It's a pretty ubiquitous accusation.



KitemanSA wrote:
Diogenes wrote: Anti-Semitic-ism aside, Ron Paul is just another Ross Perot in my opinion.
Except he isn't buying his way on, he seems to be developing vocal, young, enthusiastic supporters. If he had the, what was it? $50M? in today's dollars of personal money that Perot dumped into his own campaign, Paul may be running away with the RepNom.

Some things I like about him, some things I don't. I like Rand Paul better.
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Danka. I'll scan them as soon as I can.

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