Crime and Punishment: Oklahoma (& Texas) style!

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Re: Crime and Punishment: Oklahoma (& Texas) style!

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choff wrote: A guy was convicted of rape when the woman gave enthusiastic and affirmative consent at every stage. The Judge decided the guy should have realized she didn't actually mean it. Another guy got convicted for giving one single extra thrust after the woman said stop. There are even worse examples, but the most fun thing about Canadian law is, you can get tried for the same crime repeatedly until the prosecutor gets the guilty verdict he wants. Judges who don't go with the new regime can wind up in diversity courses getting reprogrammed until they either go along or are canned.
If this is true shouldn't Canadian jails be full to the rafters with men convicted of phony/dubious rape charges? How would they find room for the real criminals? Thought the US led the world as far as prison/jail population; don't know off-hand where Canada falls in this category but thought it was much less than the States

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choff wrote:Yes, the left is in charge in Canada, and they've completely lost their minds. A guy was convicted of rape when the woman gave enthusiastic and affirmative consent at every stage. The Judge decided the guy should have realized she didn't actually mean it. Another guy got convicted for giving one single extra thrust after the woman said stop. There are even worse examples, but the most fun thing about Canadian law is, you can get tried for the same crime repeatedly until the prosecutor gets the guilty verdict he wants. Judges who don't go with the new regime can wind up in diversity courses getting reprogrammed until they either go along or are canned.


So Canada is looking pretty insane to you as well? Here in the US, we are not far behind. Look at Google firing that guy for telling the truth in a very fair and balanced way.


The older I get, the more it seems like everyone is going nuts, especially the urban populations.
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Only about 40k prison inmates in Canada. Since 99% of the population will never go through the legal process, they take the attitude of an African Buffalo herd. It won't happen to them, so they don't care when the Carnivores run down somebody else. I had the experience of visiting a Canadian prison to repair equipment, on the way out, the guard escorting me pointed to one old inmate and told me he was an innocent man. The guy was a foster dad to a teenage girl, she accused him of rape, her word against his. That was enough to convict for 20 years, his wife divorced him and his family disowned him. When she got into her 20's his accuser recanted to the police, admitted she made the whole thing up. Problem is, to get released you need a retrial, to get that is a 7 year process while you're stuck in the crowbar hotel. It costs the government maybe 20K max. per year in pension/old age security/guaranteed income supplement for a free man, 50k per year to keep him behind bars.
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I remember reading a report on overcrowding in primate cages leading to aberrant behavior. Makes you wonder.
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Was that not on the same scale as consuming a bathtub of Diet Coke may correlate to getting cancer?

That said, I do agree that humans were not meant to exist as 'hive' animals, and many historical representations and studies support that. While not having read the primate study, the thought does not surprise me. A little me time goes a long way... Life tends to be competitive, and packing life forms together tends to create a growing curve of competition for survival related to dominant behaviors, in addition to eventually reaching a critical mass of density where most (if not all) of the life in the packed together construct perish.

Meh. Never been a fan of cities.
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In the U.S. how many women have ever been sent to prison for either paternity fraud or false allegations of domestic violence or rape?
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Without looking it up, I would surmise a few, as in not many. These do get prosecuted.
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choff wrote:Only about 40k prison inmates in Canada. Since 99% of the population will never go through the legal process, they take the attitude of an African Buffalo herd. It won't happen to them, so they don't care when the Carnivores run down somebody else. I had the experience of visiting a Canadian prison to repair equipment, on the way out, the guard escorting me pointed to one old inmate and told me he was an innocent man. The guy was a foster dad to a teenage girl, she accused him of rape, her word against his. That was enough to convict for 20 years, his wife divorced him and his family disowned him. When she got into her 20's his accuser recanted to the police, admitted she made the whole thing up. Problem is, to get released you need a retrial, to get that is a 7 year process while you're stuck in the crowbar hotel. It costs the government maybe 20K max. per year in pension/old age security/guaranteed income supplement for a free man, 50k per year to keep him behind bars.

A lot of Nations don't seem to have what I regard as adequate protection for the rights of the individual. In many cases, they don't even agree that individuals should have certain rights. Today I read an article about a man in England who has been visited by the police and warned not to keep posting anti-Islamic commentary on his facist-book page.

I hadn't much thought of it over the decades, but in the last few years I have come to realize that "freedom of speech" is a necessary and inherent human right, and it should be universally recognized as such. Not allowing dissenting opinions is the manner in which "group think" "hive minds" come about. Requiring rigid adherence to officially sanctioned ideas is how the Nazis and the Communists have controlled their populations, and prohibiting free speech and free expression is a tool of totalitarianism.


Yes, from what I read, individual rights seem less secure in Canada, but we are fast adopting similar policies here in the US.
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Re: Crime and Punishment: Oklahoma (& Texas) style!

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choff wrote:Only about 40k prison inmates in Canada. Since 99% of the population will never go through the legal process, they take the attitude of an African Buffalo herd. It won't happen to them, so they don't care when the Carnivores run down somebody else. I had the experience of visiting a Canadian prison to repair equipment, on the way out, the guard escorting me pointed to one old inmate and told me he was an innocent man. The guy was a foster dad to a teenage girl, she accused him of rape, her word against his. That was enough to convict for 20 years, his wife divorced him and his family disowned him. When she got into her 20's his accuser recanted to the police, admitted she made the whole thing up. Problem is, to get released you need a retrial, to get that is a 7 year process while you're stuck in the crowbar hotel. It costs the government maybe 20K max. per year in pension/old age security/guaranteed income supplement for a free man, 50k per year to keep him behind bars.
So while in theory it is as easy (or more easy) to railroad someone in Canada as in the USA, unlike the USA there doesn't seem to be the appetite on the part of the Canadian gov for mass jailing of its citizenry up North as down here, at least not yet. Like AG Jeff Sessions clearly salivating at the idea of another Reagan/Nixon WOD 2.0 his excuse being the opioid epidemic; when he says crack down he of course means more mass jailing.
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Diogenes wrote:A lot of Nations don't seem to have what I regard as adequate protection for the rights of the individual. In many cases, they don't even agree that individuals should have certain rights.
Because in most countries even so called democracies they don't think you really have individual "rights"; just privileges granted by the pseudo parent the state subject to reinterpretation/suspension as big momma/daddy see fit. The Citizenry are the "children" the gov the all knowing parent. Many here in the States especially on the political left echo that sentiment. That's why especially the 2nd Amendment galls them so much; to them it's like letting children play with matches (guns); irresponsible parenting at it worse.

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White House Petition for National Concealed Carry Reciprocity H.R. 38
The Virginia Citizens Defense League (VCDL) has created a petition urging President Donald Trump to push Congress to pass H.R. 38 and to send it to him for signature. H.R.38 creates national reciprocity for concealed carry. The bill amends the federal criminal code to allow qualified people to carry concealed handguns in any state if they are qualified to do so in their state of residence. Here is the summation from congress.gov:



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This bill amends the federal criminal code to allow a qualified individual to carry a concealed handgun into or possess a concealed handgun in another state that allows individuals to carry concealed firearms.

A qualified individual must: (1) be eligible to possess, transport, or receive a firearm under federal law; (2) carry a valid photo identification document; and (3) carry a valid concealed carry permit issued by, or be eligible to carry a concealed firearm in, his or her state of residence.

Additionally, the bill specifies that a qualified individual who lawfully carries or possesses a concealed handgun in another state: (1) is not subject to the federal prohibition on possessing a firearm in a school zone, and (2) may carry or possess the concealed handgun in federally owned lands that are open to the public.

The passage of the bill would go far in keeping President Trump’s campaign promises. It removes numerous existing infringements on the Second Amendment right to bear arms. Here is the wording of the petition. From whitehouse.gov:


Mr. President, you have said many times that you would sign a national concealed carry reciprocity bill. Please urge Congress to pass H.R. 38 as soon as possible!

H.R. 38 will allow America’s 17 million concealed handgun permit holders to carry in every state in the Union as they go about their lives. As the recent shooting in Alexandria shows, crime and terrorism have no borders. Neither should self-defense!
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williatw wrote:
Diogenes wrote:A lot of Nations don't seem to have what I regard as adequate protection for the rights of the individual. In many cases, they don't even agree that individuals should have certain rights.
Because in most countries even so called democracies they don't think you really have individual "rights"; just privileges granted by the pseudo parent the state subject to reinterpretation/suspension as big momma/daddy see fit. The Citizenry are the "children" the gov the all knowing parent. Many here in the States especially on the political left echo that sentiment. That's why especially the 2nd Amendment galls them so much; to them it's like letting children play with matches (guns); irresponsible parenting at it worse.


I think this attitude is likely the consequence of their history of Aristocratic rule. Americans are brought up in the belief that we have no superiors, and d@mn few equals, and therefore we do not adhere to this idea that we will be what the state says we shall be.

I think there are forces within our current society that are intent on bringing to the US these same European notions of aristocracy, and these forces are at the moment, pretty heavily in control of Academia, the Media, the Arts, and many levels of government.

These people abhor the idea that we "peasants" will talk back to them.
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Here come da judge, here come da judge ...

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I know several Judges and all carry a weapon. A couple of them carry while seated on the bench. Strangely or maybe not so strangely they are all from Cook county area (chicago)
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Well, then, let's hope that justice is not blind. It would spoil their aim.

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