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Postby Diogenes » Tue Jan 10, 2012 10:07 pm

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Postby ScottL » Wed Jan 11, 2012 12:11 am


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Postby ScottL » Wed Jan 11, 2012 12:24 am


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Postby GIThruster » Wed Jan 11, 2012 12:25 am

Well Scott that's interesting, but completely irrelevant. It doesn't matter what the studios say. It doesn't matter where the actual drop is. BTW, the stats I looked at said this year they are predicting the FIRST EVER drop in theater ticket sales, of about 1%. I think people are putting words in the mouths of the studios that don't belong, but this is not what is at issue. The fact of the matter is, the studios cannot charge more than people are willing to pay, and make money. Theater tickets are completely controlled by the market, and whining about it just shows the person whining doesn't understand how capitalism works.

The actual point though is, it's the whining that is used to rationalize stealing from the IP holders, as an excuse to steal. People wouldn't do this--whine, or steal--if they thought they'd get caught, or if they were not the morally bankrupt people they are. Fact is though, most are morally bankrupt and don't steal ONLY because of fear of being caught. That's why we read these stupid posts about Gramma being sued for theft and we're suppose to sympathize with the thieves. Sorry. I don't sympathize with people who steal movies, or music, or computer programs or anything else, and I can tell you it's obvious from almost all the posts in this thread that people are all fired up and making up ridiculous nonsense statements about the law, and the situation and the supposed threat of Big Brother taking over our lives, all as a sham to support their thievery.

Stop stealing folks, and you won't have a need to fabricate these shitty arguments.
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Postby GIThruster » Wed Jan 11, 2012 1:21 am

As I said, I can't support the bill because I don't see this as an instance that justifies sidestepping due process. However, just to say it again, since the last 15 times didn't seem to sink in--the bill DOES NOT give a company the ability to shut down any other company's site on the mere accusation that they they are violating copyright. It gives the Department of Justice the ability to block web sites and DoJ would certainly have to give an account of why they took that action on every occasion.

The only problem I can see with the bill is that the appeal to DoJ can be ex parte or one party alone, with no opportunity for defense by the accused. This remedy is an exception to the due process normally expected, and is contingent upon things like an injured ability. A better bill would not be ex parte and would allow very large punative damages for violations.
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