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Postby Diogenes » Fri Jul 08, 2011 1:24 am

‘What all the wise men promised has not happened, and what all the damned fools said would happen has come to pass.’
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Postby ANTIcarrot » Fri Jul 08, 2011 2:35 am

Posting a link to Wikipedia is probably the best way to answer this foolishness. But I won't bother because they'll be ignored, or they'll give the standard "I don't care man. I don't [fracking] care." type of answer.

That is in fact why I compared AGW 'truthers' to every other kind of crack pot 'truther'. They all use the same kinds of tactics and responses.
Show Me The Money
That evidence is all faked/part of a conspiracy
Claims to special knowledge
Precious Bodily Fluids

Show Me The Money
I cannot show you a peer reviewed scientific journal for the value of pi, or the gravitational constant, or Earth's gravity at sea level, or the chemical composition of water, or the colour of the sky, or that space is a hard vacuum, or that Columbus sailed the ocean blue in 1592. Peer reviewed journals are usually not on line, and when they are they are almost always behind paywalls, some of which require achademic credentials. Even if I did hand my money and qualifacations over, and did find the papers you wanted - you still won't be able to see them, because I've only paid for my access, not yours.

That's how paywalls work, and since you can use an internet forum, I'm going to assume you know how internet paywalls work. Thus:
I) You are knowingly asking for a standard of evidence that is for all practical purposes unatainable before you'll change your mind
II) You are not interested in a serious debate
III) You are a troll

That evidence is all faked/part of a conspiracy
This is more formally known as a bias. That is you assume that all research that supports your preexisting opinion is honest, but all research that counters your preexisting opinion is fake in some way. This is a form of delusion, which is why scientists are trained to watch out for it. "People are easy to fool, and the easiest person to fool is yourself." This is a delusion, and is related to another one: "Two people can keep a secret is one of them is dead." This is a truely staggering amount of evidence for global warming. But that pales into insignificance next to the odds that such a large and elaborate conspiracy could continue for so long without someone not just spilling the beans but providing damning evidence. And while many claim to have such evidence, and many more believe them, they've yet to actually prove it. Which leads us to...

Claims to special knowledge
"It's true because I just know it in my heart!" I don't care. The only people who will care are the people who already agree with you. Claiming you know it's true because someone who trust has said it is so, doesn't work either. If they are right they can get their evidence examined for faults by people with a professional knowledge. It's called peer-review and is an essential part of the scientif process for the above mentioned reasons. It's one of the things that makes science self correcting, and the only way of obtaining accurately varified knowledge of the world around us.

If you get an A on that test, look forwards to a Nobel prize. If you get a C or D, you might want to have a long hard look and see whether the mistake you made (and you did make one) was in your presentation or your opinion of the facts. But if you get a F, no one will take you seriously, but take heart: You'll make more than the entire review panel selling books about your crackpot idea to stupid people who don't know any better.

And AGW has multiple As. AGW denial has multiple Fs.

Precious Bodily Fluids
AKA: The Fox News Excuse. People who think that addressing global warming and cutting greenhouse gasses will somehow destroy their quality of life. Or make their car slower. Or some nonsense like that. Economics doesn't really work that way. Well there are many ways of answering that, but how about we do so by asking a organisation famous for their love of all things green - the US Army. Well, it turns out that you double speed, and aceleration, and dramatically reduce fuel use. "And which tiny golf cart wannabe did they test that theory on?" I hear you ask. Answer is the Humvee.
http://defense-update.com/features/du-3 ... humvee.htm
Though it wasn't without its faults. Turns out it works in desert conditions, or with armor, but not both at the same time. Still, that's not a problem for your car.
Some light reading material: Half Way To Anywhere, The Rocket Company, Space Technology, The High Fronter, Of Wolves And Men, Light On Shattered Water, The Ultimate Weapon, any Janes Guide, GURPS Bio-Tech, ALIENS Technical Manual, The God Delusion.

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Postby TDPerk » Fri Jul 08, 2011 2:39 am

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Postby Diogenes » Sat Jul 09, 2011 10:57 pm

‘What all the wise men promised has not happened, and what all the damned fools said would happen has come to pass.’
— Lord Melbourne —

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Postby TDPerk » Fri Jul 22, 2011 10:12 am

First they explained by saying, "Shut up."



They have no justification, the warmists, but they will legislate obedience if they can...
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