Iran may have acquired Nuclear War Heads.

Skipjack · Post by **Skipjack** » Thu Jun 09, 2011 2:30 pm

Well all the nuts from Turkey are coming here. Uneducated farmers from anatolia and they are the more religious ones too. The educated ones stay in Turkey and try to build something there.
The anatolians come here to take us over with the pregnant bellies of their women. As do all the other muslims that come here (and that is what I meant we have way to many of here).

choff · Post by **choff** » Thu Jun 09, 2011 5:23 pm

I'm-a-dinner-jacket is kinda like Borat in real life, soon with nukes, and no 'Cultural Learnings of U.S. and A for make Glorious Nation Iran'.

Hezbollah had a huge rally in Lebanon with all their religious leaders and suicide bombers center stage, Nazi salutes and all. All the rotton eggs in one basket, this was before the last Israeli invasion. Tally up the cost to the Israeli state of the invasion, then compare the cost to one well placed payload from a fighter jet, would have saved a whole lot of bother.

Skipjack · Post by **Skipjack** » Thu Jun 09, 2011 5:33 pm

Tally up the cost to the Israeli state of the invasion, then compare the cost to one well placed payload from a fighter jet, would have saved a whole lot of bother.

With that I would totally agree. But that is one of the intelligence things that I was referring to. Heck they would not have even needed a fighter, just a few bombs placed strategically by some agents. The advantage of that is "denyability".

choff · Post by **choff** » Thu Jun 09, 2011 6:25 pm

I've been watching too much 'Robot Chicken' lately, so my take is just bomb the leaders, admit you did it, and tell the followers you'll bomb anybody they pick for new leaders.
Eventually you change the debate from how do we kill our enemies, to how do we persuade our enemies not too kill us. Eventually they figure out that if they stop having us for enemies maybe they won't get killed.

Skipjack · Post by **Skipjack** » Thu Jun 09, 2011 8:30 pm

I think that a strategy hat relies on threatening and killing them while effective in the short term, wont be able to bring long term peace. It has not worked in the past 60 years, it wont work in the next 60 years either.
IMHO it is better to use other methods.

Betruger · Post by **Betruger** » Thu Jun 09, 2011 9:52 pm

MSimon's right. Porn, internet, etc will dissolve their vulcan mind grip on the populace they wield like livestock.

choff · Post by **choff** » Thu Jun 09, 2011 10:15 pm

If there is a long term then Mike Simon is correct, however, short term, nuclear weapons could prevent that from happening. We haven't had the situation of terrorist enclaves or states intending to use nukes on either the west or Israel till now. To quote a Saudi Wikileak, 'cut the head off the snake.'

Skipjack · Post by **Skipjack** » Fri Jun 10, 2011 12:32 am

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 We haven't had the situation of terrorist enclaves or states intending to use nukes on either the west or Israel till now.

Well, we have heard simillar rumors about NK having nuclear weapons and threatening to use them. They are IMHO more unstable and crazy than the Iranians (yeah that means something), but they havent used their alleged nukes yet.
Also, just because you have done a single nuclear weapons test, it does not mean that you have more than that one nuke that you just tested and it also does not mean that you will have one again on short notice.
Again, these are all things that intelligence should find out. What are the CIA and the Mossad good for, if they cant do that?
The Israelis have the best spies in the world and the best assassins. Why arent they using them more against this program, if it really is such a danger?
They were not affraid to shoot Bull on open street. One would assume that they would not hesitate to kill some Iranian nuclear scientists if they really become a danger.
It is what really confuses me. People seem to favor a broad, destructive attack that will cause massive collateral damage and will only cause more hatred against them, when a surgical strike using intelligence would be much more productive.
Heck, IMHO you dont even have to shoot people. Just do some saboutage. If you really want to wreak havoc on Iranian politics, then cause a nuclear accident at one of their nuclear facilities. Then carefully rally the public and the opposition against the regime using the nuclear accident against it. Not a single bullet fired, untraceable towards Israel.
You would get a total victory in return.

choff · Post by **choff** » Fri Jun 10, 2011 12:55 am

I hate to rain on anyone's parade, but if we elimanate the Iranian political, religious, terrorist and military leadership in about 5 seconds, the only people left to fill the vacuum will be the opposition. Especially if the surviving government followers are absolutely too terrified of a repeat performance, they'll be in total disarray.

The alternative, if an Iranian nuke does go off in Israel, or some container in the US, is either a massive nuclear retaliatory strike, or a very, very expensive war to conquer Iran. One that involves going house to house with the republican guard in Iranian cities. Compare that to the cost of a stealth carpet bombing of Iran's Anniversary of the Revolution demonstration.

They look on economic sanctions and respect for human life as weakness and corruption of the spirit.

choff · Post by **choff** » Fri Jun 10, 2011 1:11 am

Skipjack wrote:One would assume that they would not hesitate to kill some Iranian nuclear scientists if they really become a danger.

They already have.

Skipjack · Post by **Skipjack** » Fri Jun 10, 2011 1:23 am

They already have.

Must have missed that?
Well done, then. What about an encore?
Anyway, my other suggestions are still on the table as well.

choff · Post by **choff** » Fri Jun 10, 2011 1:30 am

They've done the sabotage, remember Stuxnet.

Skipjack · Post by **Skipjack** » Fri Jun 10, 2011 1:46 am

They've done the sabotage, remember Stuxnet.

Yeah, I was thinking of somethinga bit more drastic and less clumsily executed. The saboutage I had in mind would destroy the evidence and a few square miles arround the facility with it

seedload · Post by **seedload** » Fri Jun 10, 2011 1:43 pm

Skipjack wrote:
They've done the sabotage, remember Stuxnet.
Yeah, I was thinking of somethinga bit more drastic and less clumsily executed. The saboutage I had in mind would destroy the evidence and a few square miles arround the facility with it

Causing extreme pain and suffering is apparently OK except when administered individually.

choff · Post by **choff** » Fri Jun 10, 2011 4:16 pm

The Iranian top brass have caused a great deal of pain and suffering within their own country, to minorities and anybody else they happened to dislike, all very self righteously applied. What goes around comes around.