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Re: What did he do?

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Umm

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Postby chrismb » Wed Mar 17, 2010 7:51 pm

Saddam was just a 'strong man' in a country that needed a strong man for stability.

There were other ways to remove him.

Recall when everyone complained about Ivan the Terrible. So he said to the Russian nobility "OK, guys, you don't like the fact that I torture people by frying them alive in huge frying pans? I'm gonna stand down, then!" and they said "Oh Sh*t! [if he does that, Russia will fall] OK, er... you better stay".

Same with Pinochet.

Same with Tito.

...who else can I mention...

These people have killed innocents. yeah. Is that a crime? Dunno - why is that any worse than bombing wedding parties in pakistan?

It's called 'politics', guys, and to try to pervert the sensibilities of 'logic' to discussing politics is like trying to use logic to persuade the tide not to come in.

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Postby chrismb » Wed Mar 17, 2010 8:10 pm

Just been catching up on the rest of this thread. Gee... I kicked off a hornet's nest there, I guess!?

You guys are just so.... American! Good for you. Must be nice to live in a country that you actually feel loyalty towards... and that you feel sure that you're always the good guys and the others are the baddies. Really, it is to be commended.

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Needed?

Postby bcglorf » Wed Mar 17, 2010 8:21 pm

Saddam was just a 'strong man' in a country that needed a strong man for stability.

Like Hitler was to Germany. Like Stalin was to Russia. The world is better off without them than with them.

As to there were better ways to remove him, I'd add there were better times as well. The first Gulf war being a pretty notable one, and attacking America's failure then makes a lot more sense to me than deriding the removal in 2003. Though if we can choose the time, birth seems as good as any though without hind sight a bit of a bad precedent.

I really don't care for complaints about better ways of removing him. He'd proven his nature for over 2 decades and nobody condemning America's successful removal seems to remember that nobody else had succeeded in that time. Several internal attempts by Iraqi's had been made, but the main result was a few more mass graves in the desert and all the more proof that other ways had failed.

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Postby Skipjack » Wed Mar 17, 2010 9:09 pm

As I said, Saddam was unbearable once he did not fullfill his purpose anymore. He was, for a while, actually supported by the US and other western nations, because he was against Iran.
Proof of point: Saddam is gone, Iran becomes the next unbearable evil on the map.

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Re: Needed?

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Re: Needed?

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