Thrust from Centripetal forces.

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Thrust from Centripetal forces.

Postby Aero » Thu Oct 29, 2009 7:36 pm

Guys, please don't think poorly of me for this post, its just for fun. After I worked it out I just had to tell someone.

It started because I don't understand the Mach Effect or the ME thrusters so I tried to simplify the idea using physics I can understand. I started by thinking of swinging a bucket of water over my head. Centripetal forces keeps the water contained. So if I could have an empty bucket on the low half of the arc, and a full bucket on the upper half, then I could lift myself up just by swinging the bucket faster. Then I thought of a device to do just that, and here it is.



It seems like I could do a similar thing using electrons for mass but just now I don't feel like doing all the Googleing it would take to put it into physical terms. Of course with electrons, I could spin the wheel a whole lot faster!
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Re: Thrust from Centripetal forces.

Postby Aero » Fri Oct 30, 2009 12:00 am

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Postby Aero » Fri Oct 30, 2009 3:25 am

Well, since it won't work as a mechanical device, I have an idea to use electrons to cause the changing mass. Here is a picture.



The inner, rotating wheel is coated with separate conformal metal plates, isolated from each other. The outer half wheel does not rotate. It is coated with a single metal plate. The conformal metal plates on the rotating inner wheel are connected to the negative pole of a battery or power supply, while the outer, stationary plate is connected to the positive pole.

As the wheel rotates, each negative plate enters the area under the outer, positively charged plate. The configuration becomes a simple, two plate capacitor and electrons flow into the negative plate. It retains the electrons until it exits the area under the positively charged plate. Then two plate capacitor discharges and the electrons flow elsewhere.

I'll let you folks decide what the radius, rotation rate, voltage and other parameters are, but do note that a the mass of an electron is 9.0394E-31 kg. Its going to take a lot of electrons to create a measurable effect.

I guess I would work the problem backwards by first asking the question, "How much force needs exist in order to create a measurable effect?" Working backwards, one can find the required number of electrons, and from that the remaining parameters can be determined. If the numbers come out within a few orders of magnitude of being achievable, then there are lots of things that can be done to improve the device.
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