It will be tough, no question about it. I am actually very worried about our low birth rate. This combined with an increased immigration has led to a shift in population. The US, to my understanding is experiencing the same, yet on a smaller scale (for now).
In Vienna every second child born these days is turkish.
The only good thing about this is that the turks breed like bunnies. So they help keeping our system afloat for a while. Noone here is willing to say anything about it, because of what happened 65 years ago. Any politician that dares to do so ends up on the US watch list. No kidding. This is indeed one of the biggest problems socialism causes. Most socialist countries have much decreased birth rates.
Anyway, I am looking foreward to the day the turks will be the majority here. Then we will get an islamic system and all the assholes that brought this upon us will be the first to end up locked up somewhere or just right out killed. That will be higher justice then. Of course I hope to be gone from here by that time. I hear Iceland is nice.
I wanted to move to the US, at least for a while, see how things turn out there, but your healthcare system and a lot of bad luck with a heart attack leave me no choice.
Healthcare & rationing
BTW, those low birthrates are completely disconnected from the healthcare system. They are simply brought upon us by a society of politically correct idiots that would rather betray their entire people than to admit their failure for once. Of course the people here are so indoctrinated by Holywood and our own idiots that they dont realize what is going on.
Yes. America is having immigration problems. One saving grace in our situation is that our immigrants are not too culturally different from the current population. Plus we have the advantage of already having integrated such a population after the Mexican War (1848 I believe).
Europe is importing Muslims and the cultural shift is going to be far more wrenching.
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Now consider this: one of the reasons for having children is so they can provide for their parents in old age. Socialism short circuits that process.
The system you champion is strangling you. It is a slow death. Nothing like the wars and death camps of the past. Kinder and gentler. Still.
Hollywood is a symptom not a cause.
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As for me? Four children. It was intentional. I WANTED to contribute more than my share to the next generation.
Europe is importing Muslims and the cultural shift is going to be far more wrenching.
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Now consider this: one of the reasons for having children is so they can provide for their parents in old age. Socialism short circuits that process.
The system you champion is strangling you. It is a slow death. Nothing like the wars and death camps of the past. Kinder and gentler. Still.
Hollywood is a symptom not a cause.
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As for me? Four children. It was intentional. I WANTED to contribute more than my share to the next generation.
Engineering is the art of making what you want from what you can get at a profit.
Skipjack,
You might like:
http://powerandcontrol.blogspot.com/200 ... alism.html
It is in part about Germany. And the camps of the 30s and 40s instituted by Germany were a way of paying for social security:
http://powerandcontrol.blogspot.com/200 ... urity.html
You might like:
http://powerandcontrol.blogspot.com/200 ... alism.html
It is in part about Germany. And the camps of the 30s and 40s instituted by Germany were a way of paying for social security:
http://powerandcontrol.blogspot.com/200 ... urity.html
Engineering is the art of making what you want from what you can get at a profit.
In America the socialists are not reproducing and the more conservative elements are.
The march of Socialism in Europe has been going on for 150 years. The disease is very far advanced. In America we have halted and even reversed the slide from time to time. Thus we are in better shape.
Dare I say that the system of the Austrian Corporal has been instituted continent wide (minus its more unfortunate aspects)?
Do we have our problems? Yes. Fortunately America is a right of center nation. (far right by European standards) So we still have some power of resistance. The fight against the socializing of the entire health care system is evidence of that. I know it makes your personal system worse (you can't come to America) but it makes our overall system better.
Is it possible for you to find an employer who values your services enough to make up for your personal disadvantages? Have you asked American insurance companies how they would deal with your individual situation? Perhaps there is a work around. If you feel you are really an American I'd love to have you here with us.
Or you might consider Canada as a workable alternative.
The march of Socialism in Europe has been going on for 150 years. The disease is very far advanced. In America we have halted and even reversed the slide from time to time. Thus we are in better shape.
Dare I say that the system of the Austrian Corporal has been instituted continent wide (minus its more unfortunate aspects)?
Do we have our problems? Yes. Fortunately America is a right of center nation. (far right by European standards) So we still have some power of resistance. The fight against the socializing of the entire health care system is evidence of that. I know it makes your personal system worse (you can't come to America) but it makes our overall system better.
Is it possible for you to find an employer who values your services enough to make up for your personal disadvantages? Have you asked American insurance companies how they would deal with your individual situation? Perhaps there is a work around. If you feel you are really an American I'd love to have you here with us.
Or you might consider Canada as a workable alternative.
Engineering is the art of making what you want from what you can get at a profit.
Msimon, the thing is I am not a socialist. I am a capitalist by heart and people tend to put me into the right corner here (though I believe that I am in the middle somewhere).
However, I believe that a good capitalist will not take unnecessary risks, unless he is in the risk business (insurance, stock markets, weapons market, which is a different kind of risk though).
Anyway I have always played it pretty save and I did manage to get arround in my business OK so far. Out of roughly 20 businesses that started with me that year (in my field) I am one of 3 that are still standing.
All the others went bankrupt. We call that "they became businessman of the year"
I never had any debt worth mentioning and never bought anything that I could not afford with the cash at hand. Call me oldfashioned, but that is how it worked for me. It took me 10 years to get my business to where it is today. We are still not on the top, but I make a living...
Why do I tell you that?
I really want to go to the US. Not just for me, but also for my wife, who is a US citizen and really misses the lifestyle in the US (which I largely love as well). I like the dedication and hard work of the american people. And I can say that I have rarely seen a people working harder than the americans. I respect people that work hard in an honest job, most of all, even if they are poor.
You can be as rich as Bill Gates, if I dont approve of the way you got rich, I wont respect you a bit.
Now my problem is this: I have finally gotten to the point where I will be able to fullfill my wifes and my dream of moving to the US and now I find myself and our dreams struck down by a stupid heart attack, a case of "bad luck" as my doctors called it. Really I am not overweight, I am not smoking, I exercise, I had a checkup 3 weeks before my heart attack that showed that everything was fine. Maybe I could have worked less and stressed myself out less that year before my heart attack. Maybe that would have prevented it. Maybe I should have staid at home that one time I had that flu. Maybe that would have prevented it.
Anywyay, I did some checking about how we can manage moving to the US and the options for me are few. I will either be denied health insurance, or not get any coverage in case I have a remission (for this particular illness), even if that happens 30 years from now. Or, I will have to pay a fortune. So much, that this health insurance simply does not make any sense for me at all. Even someone as risk averse as I am would rather take the risk and put that money aside for eventual treatments, rather than pay it to an insurance company that may or may not find it appropriate to pay for my treatment when(if) the time comes.
So none of these solutions compares to what I have now.
It is a simple matter of math. How much do I want to pay of my monthly salary in taxes or health insurance? How much do I get back for that?
So far Austria wins (unfortunately) hands down. One reason is the stupid US- social insurance, that I dont need. I wont need unemployment as I employ myself. I wont need a retirement fund that I will never see the benefits of anyway (because it will simply not work with the birthrates we have).
It is kinda silly, but those things that I critizise and dislike most about Austrias system, are there in the US too.
Worse even, yours gives me less, for roughly the same cost.
If I did not have to pay for social insurance moving to the US might still pay off for me, despite the insanely high cost for health insurance there.
Going to Canada is not really an option. It is inferior to Austria in pretty much any aspect. Starting from the cost of living to the benefits.
Anyway, I welcome the kind invitation. I will simply keep checking for more options. That is all I can do really.
However, I believe that a good capitalist will not take unnecessary risks, unless he is in the risk business (insurance, stock markets, weapons market, which is a different kind of risk though).
Anyway I have always played it pretty save and I did manage to get arround in my business OK so far. Out of roughly 20 businesses that started with me that year (in my field) I am one of 3 that are still standing.
All the others went bankrupt. We call that "they became businessman of the year"
I never had any debt worth mentioning and never bought anything that I could not afford with the cash at hand. Call me oldfashioned, but that is how it worked for me. It took me 10 years to get my business to where it is today. We are still not on the top, but I make a living...
Why do I tell you that?
I really want to go to the US. Not just for me, but also for my wife, who is a US citizen and really misses the lifestyle in the US (which I largely love as well). I like the dedication and hard work of the american people. And I can say that I have rarely seen a people working harder than the americans. I respect people that work hard in an honest job, most of all, even if they are poor.
You can be as rich as Bill Gates, if I dont approve of the way you got rich, I wont respect you a bit.
Now my problem is this: I have finally gotten to the point where I will be able to fullfill my wifes and my dream of moving to the US and now I find myself and our dreams struck down by a stupid heart attack, a case of "bad luck" as my doctors called it. Really I am not overweight, I am not smoking, I exercise, I had a checkup 3 weeks before my heart attack that showed that everything was fine. Maybe I could have worked less and stressed myself out less that year before my heart attack. Maybe that would have prevented it. Maybe I should have staid at home that one time I had that flu. Maybe that would have prevented it.
Anywyay, I did some checking about how we can manage moving to the US and the options for me are few. I will either be denied health insurance, or not get any coverage in case I have a remission (for this particular illness), even if that happens 30 years from now. Or, I will have to pay a fortune. So much, that this health insurance simply does not make any sense for me at all. Even someone as risk averse as I am would rather take the risk and put that money aside for eventual treatments, rather than pay it to an insurance company that may or may not find it appropriate to pay for my treatment when(if) the time comes.
So none of these solutions compares to what I have now.
It is a simple matter of math. How much do I want to pay of my monthly salary in taxes or health insurance? How much do I get back for that?
So far Austria wins (unfortunately) hands down. One reason is the stupid US- social insurance, that I dont need. I wont need unemployment as I employ myself. I wont need a retirement fund that I will never see the benefits of anyway (because it will simply not work with the birthrates we have).
It is kinda silly, but those things that I critizise and dislike most about Austrias system, are there in the US too.
Worse even, yours gives me less, for roughly the same cost.
If I did not have to pay for social insurance moving to the US might still pay off for me, despite the insanely high cost for health insurance there.
Going to Canada is not really an option. It is inferior to Austria in pretty much any aspect. Starting from the cost of living to the benefits.
Anyway, I welcome the kind invitation. I will simply keep checking for more options. That is all I can do really.
Can you possibly be more deluded? Really Dave. How can you buy into such an obvious fabrication?TallDave wrote: Meanwhile, back in the real world, American physicians are very much against socialist health care:
Two of every three practicing physicians oppose the medical overhaul plan under consideration in Washington, and hundreds of thousands would think about shutting down their practices or retiring early if it were adopted, a new IBD/TIPP Poll has found.
First, the NPR poll mentioned here:
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/stor ... =112818960
leads to DETAILS on the study here:
http://healthcarereform.nejm.org/?p=1790
By contrast, the IBD version presents only 3 questions and no other information lending credibility to the poll, and the poll taker
http://www.technometrica.com/clients.htm
counts among its clients non other than
http://www.rims.org/Pages/Default.aspx
The insurance lobby!
Gee that wasn't hard to discredit, now was it?
This guy also has some things to say about the credibility of IBD in general:
including:
Some source you have there. They're really clued in to the facts.In 2009, Investor's Business Daily (IBD) claimed in an editorial, "People such as scientist Stephen Hawking wouldn't have a chance in the UK, where the National Health Service would say the life of this brilliant man, because of his physical handicaps, is essentially worthless." This caused widespread criticism, as Hawking does in fact live in the UK, and has received NHS treatment. Hawking personally replied that, "I wouldn't be here today if it were not for the NHS."
But you want to privatize your profits and socialize your losses. That is what we refer to these days as corpratism and was how the fascists operated.However, I believe that a good capitalist will not take unnecessary risks,
Not good company to be in.
Engineering is the art of making what you want from what you can get at a profit.
Dont put to much on the "evil fascists". This kind of argumentation left me cold a long time ago already. So much is attributed to fascists these days, it is funny. Pretty much whenever someone dislikes something "the nazis did it too".But you want to privatize your profits and socialize your losses. That is what we refer to these days as corpratism and was how the fascists operated.
It is a very lazy kind of argumentation, targeted at shutting up people that care about political correctness. Problem is: I dont give a darn about political correctness. I consider it a pest and a symptom as well as a reason for the fall of the western civlization.
Now, no I dont want to socialize my losses. See I have been paying into our system for many years now, without ever needing anything. So I kinda earned my rights in it. Austria has contracts with other countries that have public health insurance (we accept theirs, they accept ours). Kinda practical normally. Only problem is, the US does not do that. So I am fracked.
Anyway, as I mentioned, chances are that I will never have any hart issues again or at least not until very old age. Taking the chance is what an insurance company should do. After all that is their business (taking risks for money). However the private insurance companies dont want to do that. So I am stuck. I wished I could just take my insurance from here over to the US, but since the systems are so different it does not work.
It was actually a lot easier for my wife to get insurance here. She was automatically insured with me, once we married. She does not even need a job here and she did not have to pay a dime extra (I paid about 20 Euros more). So yeah, I think it is kinda unfair.
Skipjack,
But that is exactly how the socialists capture you - "I have been paying for years". It is exactly what socialized health care is designed to do in America. It is why we don't want it.
But that is exactly how the socialists capture you - "I have been paying for years". It is exactly what socialized health care is designed to do in America. It is why we don't want it.
I'm going to be forced to pay for Medicare next month despite the fact that my first mate (we are a Navy family) has a superior private policy. In fact I'm told it is one of the best private policies available.http://www.classicalvalues.com/archives ... ns_th.html
With barely contained anger I informed the nurse that keeping an ill, 84 year old woman in a hospital corridor for 18 hours was not the type of care that anyone should be expected to tolerate. In fact my cat receives better treatment from his vet.
Engineering is the art of making what you want from what you can get at a profit.
Of course taking a chance is what an insurance company should do. They factor in the risk from known problems and charge you accordingly. It is what they hire actuaries for.
Once that is factored in they design a policy accordingly. However if there are not enough people in your risk pool it may not be worth while to offer a policy to you. i.e. the risks from random variation in the risk pool is too high.
You have to wonder though how folks in the 1700s got along without health insurance. And I have to wonder why you are unwilling to assume the risks that folks in the 1700s had no choice but assume.
Once that is factored in they design a policy accordingly. However if there are not enough people in your risk pool it may not be worth while to offer a policy to you. i.e. the risks from random variation in the risk pool is too high.
You have to wonder though how folks in the 1700s got along without health insurance. And I have to wonder why you are unwilling to assume the risks that folks in the 1700s had no choice but assume.
Engineering is the art of making what you want from what you can get at a profit.
Live free or die. - Motto of New Hampshire.Skipjack wrote:They died.You have to wonder though how folks in the 1700s got along without health insurance.
Living free is a risk. So you have to ask what is liberty worth to you?
There were some guys for whom it was worth enough to pledge their lives, their fortunes, and their sacred honor. If it is not worth that much to you I think Austria is a more congenial place for you.
Engineering is the art of making what you want from what you can get at a profit.
twice the number compared to who?Yeah. I recall a count of operating steam engines in the year 1860, and the US had twice the number operating.
Russia? Austria? England? Europe?
Besides that is not the only measurement of infra structure. What about Water and sewage?
Agreed that sucks, but that is something you have no matter whether the healthcare reform passes or not.I'm going to be forced to pay for Medicare next month despite the fact that my first mate (we are a Navy family) has a superior private policy. In fact I'm told it is one of the best private policies available
As I said, your social security tax is something I wished you did not have and it affects the numbers negatively.
Yes that what we are told about developing countries at school. I always had my doubts about that though.Now consider this: one of the reasons for having children is so they can provide for their parents in old age.
One of the most dominant instincts is the instinct to procreate. It is the meaning of life, if you want it that way. The better and more you manage to pass on your genes, the more successful you are.
We are being killed by politicians that constantly tell us how evil we are and that we should just submit and die out already. I would have them shot for high treason if I could.The system you champion is strangling you. It is a slow death. Nothing like the wars and death camps of the past. Kinder and gentler. Still.
I agree. Passing on your genes many times is a good thing.As for me? Four children. It was intentional. I WANTED to contribute more than my share to the next generation.
I hope to have at least two, probably 3 children. I doubt I will make 4, but you will never know
