What the Obots think of anybody who disagrees with them

[bcolias]

And still the Cali and national GOP is too dumb to focus on economic issues and lay off the culture war stuff. At least until our economic house is in order. Ah. Well. It was a nice country while it lasted.

I hope you're wrong about that, they may be our only hope. Its unlikely that any third party could get itself elected to the presidency. It would be better to change the GOP towards fiscal sanity. I've even considered holding my nose and joining the GOP to help influence it along that path. Still, its disheartening to not see more of a national debate on economic issues.

I am encouraged by the tea-party folk. Hopefully, that movement will get strong enough to create some positive influences in the GOP. I've totally given up on the Dems a long time ago.

Whats been in the news is that the GOP is loosing members. An interesting statistic is that the Dems are too. This means that there is a steady rise of independent voters.

Bill

[MSimon]

And still the Cali and national GOP is too dumb to focus on economic issues and lay off the culture war stuff. At least until our economic house is in order. Ah. Well. It was a nice country while it lasted.

I hope you're wrong about that, they may be our only hope. Its unlikely that any third party could get itself elected to the presidency. It would be better to change the GOP towards fiscal sanity. I've even considered holding my nose and joining the GOP to help influence it along that path. Still, its disheartening to not see more of a national debate on economic issues.

I am encouraged by the tea-party folk. Hopefully, that movement will get strong enough to create some positive influences in the GOP. I've totally given up on the Dems a long time ago.

Whats been in the news is that the GOP is loosing members. An interesting statistic is that the Dems are too. This means that there is a steady rise of independent voters.

Bill

I wish you were correct. The GOP wants a culture war on Americans and the Dems want an economic war. We are so screwed.

Yes. The Tea Parties are good. What I don't see is Republicans getting it.

My own Cong. Critter (Don Manzullo- R) is a hard core Evangelical Christian. And yet in Congress he focuses his efforts strictly on economic issues (small business). Last election he got 66% of the vote. This in the district that spawned Jon Anderson.

If the Party was made up of Manzullos it might have a chance.

The Evangelical base of the party keeps screaming "without us you have nothing". My counter is that with you we also have nothing.

[ravingdave]

MSimon, please do not misunderstand me. I'm not arguing the addictive qualities of Pot vs. Alcohol, or How pot became illegal, or other such. The only argument I make on behalf of prohibiting pot is the "gateway drug" argument, and the "We don't need another Alcohol argument.

Acquiescing to recreational use of Pot makes it logically impossible to impede the use of other (worse) drugs. You are fond of using Alcohol as an example, but Alcohol is a special case. Even so, the number of people killed every year by Alcohol (many of them the innocent victims of drunk drivers) is in itself a tragedy.


I personally don't give a whit about Pot. I have many friends who smoke it and enjoy it, and it appears to be relatively harmless, but if widespread us of it brings anything to society like another version of Alcohol, it is a tragedy we don't need.

In any case, it's not a cause I feel strongly about. I figure evolution will eventually resolve it anyway.


David

[ravingdave]

BTW the GOP (at minimum in California and probably the whole nation) has their priorities screwed. Here is why the GOP can't win elections in Calif.

The California GOP is obsessed with homosexuality, abortion, and mandatory “voluntary” school prayer. Those are, to them, the overriding issues.

The illegal alien invasion? High taxes? The regulatory nightmare? Hundreds upon hundreds of agencies with conflicting rules? Good heavens, man! We can’t worry about that when there’s homos and unChristians to sorry about and scapegoat!

I put California in my rear-view mirror in July of 2005. When I fly out to visit my mother in Palm Desert, I get antsy to get back on the plane within 3 days of getting there. The place makes me cringe.

friendlygrizzly on May 9, 2009 at 11:57 PM

http://hotair.com/archives/2009/05/08/c ... /#comments

And still the Cali and national GOP is too dumb to focus on economic issues and lay off the culture war stuff. At least until our economic house is in order. Ah. Well. It was a nice country while it lasted.

I responded to this over at Power and Control, but for some reason my response got deleted. Let me see if I can remember how I put it earlier.

I don't believe friendlygrizzly. I was involved in a great deal of Republican politics here in Oklahoma ( a far more conservative state.) and i've seen nothing like this man describes. This fellow appears to be pushing a meme that is quite popular with the people in the party (and the media) that hates the social conservative agenda anyways, and is constantly making allegations such as this because it fits the narrative they want to promulgate. I was on the Platform committee for the state Republican party in 1993, (Mary Fallin was the Chair) and the prime focus of the party at that time was National Defense, Fiscal Sanity, and Judicial restraint. I've attended many state Republican conventions, and there were people who set up booths dedicated to this or that issue, but by and large the bulk of the delegates did not pay a great deal of attention to the one issue groups.

Now i've been taken aside and talked to by various single issue people, and i've met the occasional nut or kook, but most of the people at these conventions are not like this.


I find it all the more implausible that the Republican Party in California is more socially conservative than the people (whom i've personally met) are in Oklahoma. More likely, the Media types look for the kooks, give them interview time, and then portray the entire party in this light.

This exact thing has happened to me and the Pro-Gun group I used to chair. (and even WE weren't single issue voters. We were more concerned about abuse of Federal Power than anything else.)

The man's story sounds incredible because it is. Sounds like a sock puppet to me.


David

[ravingdave]

And still the Cali and national GOP is too dumb to focus on economic issues and lay off the culture war stuff. At least until our economic house is in order. Ah. Well. It was a nice country while it lasted.

I hope you're wrong about that, they may be our only hope. Its unlikely that any third party could get itself elected to the presidency. It would be better to change the GOP towards fiscal sanity. I've even considered holding my nose and joining the GOP to help influence it along that path. Still, its disheartening to not see more of a national debate on economic issues.

I am encouraged by the tea-party folk. Hopefully, that movement will get strong enough to create some positive influences in the GOP. I've totally given up on the Dems a long time ago.

Whats been in the news is that the GOP is loosing members. An interesting statistic is that the Dems are too. This means that there is a steady rise of independent voters.

Bill

Much of what you hear about the Republican party is a media creation. That is, it is the opinions of Liberal Democrats from New York about people they HATE anyway.

As I've mentioned ad infinitum, All 4 major networks are headquartered in New York city. Virtually ALL of their staff are Union members from this city. This city voted for Barack Obama 80% . (by population.) How do you think they are going to talk about their opposition ?

Suppose the entire News/Entertainment industry was populated by Nazis. (a situation that is becoming closer to reality every day.) How do you suppose they would be describing the Jews on their news and entertainment programs ?

Did you SEE what they did to Sarah Palin ? And Joe the Plumber ? And Carrie Prejean ?


As the Media decides what they want people to see, they move public opinion by their narrative.



David

[Robthebob]

geez guys, this is not the place for this.

[MSimon]

MSimon, please do not misunderstand me. I'm not arguing the addictive qualities of Pot vs. Alcohol, or How pot became illegal, or other such. The only argument I make on behalf of prohibiting pot is the "gateway drug" argument, and the "We don't need another Alcohol argument.

Acquiescing to recreational use of Pot makes it logically impossible to impede the use of other (worse) drugs. You are fond of using Alcohol as an example, but Alcohol is a special case. Even so, the number of people killed every year by Alcohol (many of them the innocent victims of drunk drivers) is in itself a tragedy.


I personally don't give a whit about Pot. I have many friends who smoke it and enjoy it, and it appears to be relatively harmless, but if widespread us of it brings anything to society like another version of Alcohol, it is a tragedy we don't need.

In any case, it's not a cause I feel strongly about. I figure evolution will eventually resolve it anyway.

David

We already have another drug. Do you really think prohibited means unavailable? Where did your friends get their stuff? The only gateway between pot and harder drugs is the criminal distribution network.

The gateway theory was discredited (in the scientific literature) at least a decade ago. I'm surprised you are not keeping up.

And if pot is a gateway how do you explain that about 1/2 the seniors in high school have tried pot while only a few percent have tried heroin? Shouldn't that number be up in the tens of percent at least if pot is a gateway?

And if you do believe in the gateway theory how come you are not agitating against mother's milk?

Like socialism, prohibition can only be maintained by faith. Because in practice it does not do what it is "supposed" to do.

A little ditty from alcohol prohibition.

Prohibition is an awful flop.
We like it.
It can't stop what it's meant to stop.
We like it.
It's left a trail of graft and slime,
It won't prohibit worth a dime,
It's filled our land with vice and crime.
Nevertheless, we're for it.

Franklin P. Adams, 1931

Nothing has changed except the object of the faith.

You know I was under the impression that conservatives were supposed to be directed by their knowledge of history and science leaving out "feelings". Obviously what I hear and what I actually observe don't match. But I'm pretty scientifically oriented. So I'm going by observation and I'm going to say flat out that rhetoric and behavior do not match.

"Conservatives" only follow history and science when it suits them.

And what is "conservative" about a policy that is recent (in the American historical context) and doesn't work? Shouldn't a true conservative want to go back to policies that worked better? Or does "prohibition" give you that warm fuzzy feeling despite the fact that it prohibits nothing (see Adams, Franklin P.).

It amuses me that I am more conservative than you are (at least on this issue). Re-legalize.

==

BTW I was under the impression that you are anti-socialism. What is more socialist than government deciding what you can eat, drink, and smoke? Do you really need Big Brother? Of course if you favor government control of that I'm sure you applaud the New York City laws against trans fat. After all it is for your own good.

There are rather few conservatives who are consistent about their policy choices. Most are like you. They think that putting government guns to people's heads can fix a lot of things. Maybe not economics, but certainly culture. And then you have your counterparts who think putting government guns to people's heads can fix economics certainly, but not culture. The folks favoring government guns to solve problems are called in polite company statists. Worshipers of force. As the Romans used to say: fasces. Or as Il Duce preferred: fascism.

Me? I'm against socialism in economics and culture. It may or may not be wise policy. It is consistent.

Let me add that if you are a Christian that Jesus was against using the force of government to solve social problems. So many Christians, so few followers of Jesus. More is the pity.

But better days are coming.

Majority Of Americans Want Pot Legalized: Zogby Poll

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/05/0 ... 98196.html

==

Let me add that before pot was made illegal it was prescribed by doctors as a safer alternative to alcohol for alcoholics.

It is rather sad that so few have studied history or science when it comes to why people use drugs and their effects.

There is some scientific evidence that drivers stoned on pot are safer than sober drivers (not by very much though but the difference is consistent over a number of studies). They become more careful. Alcohol tends to make drivers more reckless.

So to reduce drunk driving incidents we should promote pot over alcohol. Of course you then have the problem of the pot addled driver doing 30 in a 45 zone. Better than the drunk driver doing 90 in a 45 zone and ignoring stop signs.

==

So how did government get pot outlawed when it was a regularly prescribed drug (mostly as tincture) ? Sleight of hand. Americans knew it as cannabis. And cannabis was good. So the campaign was against the evil Mexican weed marijuana. It makes you crazy. In fact it is so evil that it can turn you into a bat. (don't laugh - that testimony was used in court and the guy was convicted).

The marks are starting to wise up.

http://www.maristcircle.com/home/index. ... cd37c3f6ee

Cannabis (slang term is "marijuana") was firt made illegal at the federal level in the United States in 1937. Harry Anslinger was a bureaucrat that headed up the efforts to make the substance illegal, as the behest of states like Texas and New Mexico, in order to be able to control the people who were the primary consumers at the time... Mexican immigrants, and later, the black musicians in the burgeoning jazz scene. Anslinger and his cronies blatantly lied about the scope of the effects of the drug, positing that it made Mexican immigrants crazy and violent, and also stated that it caused white women to "seek out relations with Negroes". There was an openly racial bias to the whole thing, which should invalidate any existing laws. Interestingly, there were only two doctors present to present testimony, one I believe was from the American Medical association, who testified in open court that he did not believe the allegations put forth by the government were accurate. He was summarily lectured about not being "helpful", and was summarily dismissed. A second doctor, who was Anslinger's crony, testified that he caused a person to grow 6" fangs, and in fact, turned him into a bat. Needless to say, Anslinger liked him and appointed him as the Federal "expert" on marijuana for the next 25 years. Please take the time to read teh great book "The Emporer has no clothes" by Jack Herer. He has transcripts from the 1937 Congressional hearings printed intact....

That is a short version of the history compiled by historian Charles Whitebread who has taught the FBI.

http://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/History/whiteb1.htm

[MSimon]

geez guys, this is not the place for this.

Why not?

I cover science, I cover the politics. And I have been doing it in General almost since the founding of the board.

And what do we cover re: Polywell. Science and politics.

Your attitude reminds me of the Victorian attitude towards sex. It made them uncomfortable. Once we got over that culturally the study of sex became a reputable field. It would be nice if honest discussions of the science of drugs and its relationship to politics didn't make people uncomfortable.

On top of that it has been my experience in engineering that about 1/2 the electronic and software engineers I have come in contact with are pot users. I don't know why that is so. But I have a few theories.

Hint: I think it has to do with mild schizophrenia being an asset to creativity.

[ravingdave]

And still the Cali and national GOP is too dumb to focus on economic issues and lay off the culture war stuff. At least until our economic house is in order. Ah. Well. It was a nice country while it lasted.

I hope you're wrong about that, they may be our only hope. Its unlikely that any third party could get itself elected to the presidency. It would be better to change the GOP towards fiscal sanity. I've even considered holding my nose and joining the GOP to help influence it along that path. Still, its disheartening to not see more of a national debate on economic issues.

I am encouraged by the tea-party folk. Hopefully, that movement will get strong enough to create some positive influences in the GOP. I've totally given up on the Dems a long time ago.

Whats been in the news is that the GOP is loosing members. An interesting statistic is that the Dems are too. This means that there is a steady rise of independent voters.

Bill

I wish you were correct. The GOP wants a culture war on Americans and the Dems want an economic war. We are so screwed.

Yes. The Tea Parties are good. What I don't see is Republicans getting it.

My own Cong. Critter (Don Manzullo- R) is a hard core Evangelical Christian. And yet in Congress he focuses his efforts strictly on economic issues (small business). Last election he got 66% of the vote. This in the district that spawned Jon Anderson.

If the Party was made up of Manzullos it might have a chance.

The Evangelical base of the party keeps screaming "without us you have nothing". My counter is that with you we also have nothing.

Here we go again. (rolling my eyes.) You talk about the Social conservatives being a problem, then you give an example of one who is in your own opinion, not a problem. What you describe as the behavior of your congressman is more the rule as opposed to the exception.

The social conservatives advocate nothing that has not been the consensus for civilized society for the previous couple of hundred years. It is only with the advent of the last 50 years of liberal activism that the people who hold bedrock principals are seen as having moved "to the extreme right" when in fact it is not they who have moved at all.

Progress is not change. Progress is change for the better.

It is not the Conservatives who want a culture war. It is the conservatives who want people to stop putting a war on them. Liberals are the aggressors. It is they who would over turn long established principles to replace them with the latest fad of the day. Today it is homosexual marriage and abortion on demand. Tomorrow it will be hate crime protection for pedophiles and infantcide.

http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/05/0 ... -veterans/


http://www.texasinsider.org/?p=8532

David

[ravingdave]

Hey MSimon ! Guess what I found in the comments over at Hot Air ?

This !

The California GOP is obsessed with homosexuality, abortion, and mandatory “voluntary” school prayer. Those are, to them, the overriding issues.

The illegal alien invasion? High taxes? The regulatory nightmare? Hundreds upon hundreds of agencies with conflicting rules? Good heavens, man! We can’t worry about that when there’s homos and unChristians to sorry about and scapegoat!

I put California in my rear-view mirror in July of 2005. When I fly out to visit my mother in Palm Desert, I get antsy to get back on the plane within 3 days of getting there. The place makes me cringe.

friendlygrizzly on May 9, 2009 at 11:57 PM

http://hotair.com/archives/2009/05/08/c ... tor-warns/


If that's not where YOU found it, it is definitely a sock puppet tactic.




David

[MSimon]

What you describe as the behavior of your congressman is more the rule as opposed to the exception.

But it is the exceptions that are ruing the party in terms of electoral politics.

And then how do you explain the Calif party.

[MSimon]

Hey MSimon ! Guess what I found in the comments over at Hot Air ?

This !

The California GOP is obsessed with homosexuality, abortion, and mandatory “voluntary” school prayer. Those are, to them, the overriding issues.

The illegal alien invasion? High taxes? The regulatory nightmare? Hundreds upon hundreds of agencies with conflicting rules? Good heavens, man! We can’t worry about that when there’s homos and unChristians to sorry about and scapegoat!

I put California in my rear-view mirror in July of 2005. When I fly out to visit my mother in Palm Desert, I get antsy to get back on the plane within 3 days of getting there. The place makes me cringe.

friendlygrizzly on May 9, 2009 at 11:57 PM

http://hotair.com/archives/2009/05/08/c ... tor-warns/


If that's not where YOU found it, it is definitely a sock puppet tactic.

David

Jeeze Dave. All you have to do is look up thread where I give the link.

In fact all you have to do is look at your previous post

viewtopic.php?p=19608#19608

Where I provide a link that is even more specific than the one you provide (it gives the page number).

Some times I wonder if you are even paying attention.

Look. All I'm saying is that if the GOP wants long term success it is going to have to give up God Talk and be disciplined about it. Lead by example rather than exhortation.

That has another advantage. If a member (heh) falls off the straight and narrow the charge of hypocrite is harder to pin.

If Larry Craig hadn't been a God Talk member of the God Talk Party he might have gotten as much flack for toe tapping as Barney Frank got for running a sex ring. Yeah. I know Frank's indiscretions were 100X worse. But that is reality.

Any way that is another good reason leading by example is better than leading by exhortation.

Personally I don't care what Barney Frank or Larry Craig do on their own time. What I care about is how they vote. Not everyone is so tolerant however.

[ravingdave]

We already have another drug. Do you really think prohibited means unavailable? Where did your friends get their stuff? The only gateway between pot and harder drugs is the criminal distribution network.

The gateway theory was discredited (in the scientific literature) at least a decade ago. I'm surprised you are not keeping up.

Pronouncements do not convince me. Rational arguments based on facts convince me. You occasionally make some good ones. Not overwhelming, but at least interesting.

And if pot is a gateway how do you explain that about 1/2 the seniors in high school have tried pot while only a few percent have tried heroin? Shouldn't that number be up in the tens of percent at least if pot is a gateway?

Don't underestimate the effect of legalization on moving the goal posts. I suggest that the gateway effect would be more pronounced if another drug was legalized.

And if you do believe in the gateway theory how come you are not agitating against mother's milk?

Seriously ?

You know I was under the impression that conservatives were supposed to be directed by their knowledge of history and science leaving out "feelings". Obviously what I hear and what I actually observe don't match. But I'm pretty scientifically oriented. So I'm going by observation and I'm going to say flat out that rhetoric and behavior do not match.

"Conservatives" only follow history and science when it suits them.

And what is "conservative" about a policy that is recent (in the American historical context) and doesn't work? Shouldn't a true conservative want to go back to policies that worked better? Or does "prohibition" give you that warm fuzzy feeling despite the fact that it prohibits nothing (see Adams, Franklin P.).

It amuses me that I am more conservative than you are (at least on this issue). Re-legalize.

I have read what you have written before. Unless I misremember, you are in favor of legalizing ALL drugs. Meth, Crack, Heroine, Shrooms, Acid, PCP, etc. I have seem firsthand many people who's lives were ruined and even lost by using this stuff.

I do not see how any good can come from legalizing the hard drugs. Pot may be harmless, but if we legalize it, we add a weapon to the arsenal of the people who want to legalize the hard stuff.

BTW I was under the impression that you are anti-socialism. What is more socialist than government deciding what you can eat, drink, and smoke? Do you really need Big Brother? Of course if you favor government control of that I'm sure you applaud the New York City laws against trans fat. After all it is for your own good.

I do not regard these two things to be equivalent.

The old libertarian saw applies here too.

"An it harm none, do what thou whilst. "


The problem with drugs, is they don't hurt just the person that takes them. Sleep medication when driving can get OTHER people killed.

Trans fat will damage the health of the people who consume it, not the health of people who don't.

There are rather few conservatives who are consistent about their policy choices. Most are like you. They think that putting government guns to people's heads can fix a lot of things. Maybe not economics, but certainly culture. And then you have your counterparts who think putting government guns to people's heads can fix economics certainly, but not culture. The folks favoring government guns to solve problems are called in polite company statists. Worshipers of force. As the Romans used to say: fasces. Or as Il Duce preferred: fascism.

Me? I'm against socialism in economics and culture. It may or may not be wise policy. It is consistent.

Let me add that if you are a Christian that Jesus was against using the force of government to solve social problems. So many Christians, so few followers of Jesus. More is the pity.

But better days are coming.

Majority Of Americans Want Pot Legalized: Zogby Poll

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/05/0 ... 98196.html

If Americans vote to legalize pot i'm not going to lose sleep over it, nor will I make any effort to stop it. I think it would be a mistake because it would create more under the influence accidents and it would justify legalizing harder drugs, but in any case it would be the will of the people.

I'm not sure how this makes me a socialist, but that's the spin You usually put on it.

Let me add that before pot was made illegal it was prescribed by doctors as a safer alternative to alcohol for alcoholics.

It is rather sad that so few have studied history or science when it comes to why people use drugs and their effects.

Ha ha ha.. it's funny that you should mention that. As I have noted before, most drugs are actually plant toxins synthesized by plants for the purpose of disabling or killing animals which are eating them. It is an evolutionary self defense mechanism.

Like I said before... people need to leave the poor plants alone.

There is some scientific evidence that drivers stoned on pot are safer than sober drivers (not by very much though but the difference is consistent over a number of studies). They become more careful. Alcohol tends to make drivers more reckless.

So to reduce drunk driving incidents we should promote pot over alcohol. Of course you then have the problem of the pot addled driver doing 30 in a 45 zone. Better than the drunk driver doing 90 in a 45 zone and ignoring stop signs.

==


You may have something there.


David

[ravingdave]

What you describe as the behavior of your congressman is more the rule as opposed to the exception.

But it is the exceptions that are ruing the party in terms of electoral politics.

And then how do you explain the Calif party.

I see nothing that I can regard as a legitimate criticism of the Calif. party. I find the story completely unbelievable because it mirrors nothing in my own experience, and i've been in places where I ought to have seen such a thing if it exists.

If the description seems like a media caricature, that's because it probably is.



David

[ravingdave]

Hey MSimon ! Guess what I found in the comments over at Hot Air ?

This !

The California GOP is obsessed with homosexuality, abortion, and mandatory “voluntary” school prayer. Those are, to them, the overriding issues.

The illegal alien invasion? High taxes? The regulatory nightmare? Hundreds upon hundreds of agencies with conflicting rules? Good heavens, man! We can’t worry about that when there’s homos and unChristians to sorry about and scapegoat!

I put California in my rear-view mirror in July of 2005. When I fly out to visit my mother in Palm Desert, I get antsy to get back on the plane within 3 days of getting there. The place makes me cringe.

friendlygrizzly on May 9, 2009 at 11:57 PM

http://hotair.com/archives/2009/05/08/c ... tor-warns/


If that's not where YOU found it, it is definitely a sock puppet tactic.

David

Jeeze Dave. All you have to do is look up thread where I give the link.

In fact all you have to do is look at your previous post

viewtopic.php?p=19608#19608

Where I provide a link that is even more specific than the one you provide (it gives the page number).

Some times I wonder if you are even paying attention.

In this case I obviously wasn't. I probably glanced at it having already read the exact same piece at Power and Control just a little while earlier.
As a matter of fact I mention in my post that I had answered this earlier but it had been deleted. As I had already read it previously, I just saw the first few lines and assumed it was identical to the earlier version. I didn't notice that you had added a link.

At any rate, I am happy to admit I was wrong. I made an error. Yes, I know they are few and far between but when they happen we should own up to them and admit when we make a mistake.

I Made a mistake.

Look. All I'm saying is that if the GOP wants long term success it is going to have to give up God Talk and be disciplined about it. Lead by example rather than exhortation.

That has another advantage. If a member (heh) falls off the straight and narrow the charge of hypocrite is harder to pin.

If Larry Craig hadn't been a God Talk member of the God Talk Party he might have gotten as much flack for toe tapping as Barney Frank got for running a sex ring. Yeah. I know Frank's indiscretions were 100X worse. But that is reality.

Any way that is another good reason leading by example is better than leading by exhortation.

Personally I don't care what Barney Frank or Larry Craig do on their own time. What I care about is how they vote. Not everyone is so tolerant however.

Again, the donkey in the room is the Media. Larry Craig pleaded guilty (nolo contedre ?) because he thought it would be less dangerous than the media attention he would receive if he fought it. He assumed that if he plead guilty it would be quietly handled by the court, and no media circus would result. He was wrong ! Had he been a democrat, he would have been absolutely right !


The New York/LA Liberal Democrat Reporter system gleefully attacks anyone on the opposite side of the aisle while burying really horrible stories about people on THEIR side of the aisle.


I find the case against Larry Craig to be completely ridiculous, and a good defense attorney would have ripped it to pieces, but Larry Craig didn't want to go through the shame of having the accusation leveled against him nationally, which it was anyway.


If he were a democrat, he wouldn't have been forced to go through any shame because the media would have covered it up.


You speak of hypocrisy, and it would only be hypocrisy if Larry Craig actually communicated a desire to engage in Homosexuality. An accusation, and especially an accusations based on such a flimsy pretext (tapping your feet ? Really ? ) does not establish guilt. He can only be a hypocrite if he is guilty.

The media don't care. All they care about is an excuse to attack their opponents.


David