Energetics Technologies Making Progress with Cold Fusion

[mike betie]

With the news from the Navy lab this week Cold Fusion is back in the spotlight. I think there is more to come check out the work this company is doing. They say they have produced excess heat and 2 labs have replicated the process. Would like to know what others think!
http://superwavefusion.com/

[MSimon]

I'm going to assume you are a stock drummer, because this has already been posted.

This is nothing more than Cold Fusion with pulses. So far Cold Fusion has been known for 20 years and no one has made a nickel selling energy from a Cold Fusion device.

Compare that with the progress in high temperature superconductors 20 years after their discovery.

[gblaze42]

Compare that with the progress in high temperature superconductors 20 years after their discovery.

In fact I am betting that within 5 years we will have attained room temperature superconductors.

[pfrit]

Compare that with the progress in high temperature superconductors 20 years after their discovery.

In fact I am betting that within 5 years we will have attained room temperature superconductors.

Actually, I will bet that we won't have room temperature superconductors for at least 30 years, if ever. Unless there is a fundamentally new class of superconductors (I mean really fundamental) I think that -40 is the absolutely the best that can be done (and that with a whole lot of compression). That's ok, as there are superconductors pushing dry ice range. I don't know if we need anything colder than that for practical use.

[Skipjack]

I thought we had already reached -40...

[gblaze42]

Compare that with the progress in high temperature superconductors 20 years after their discovery.

In fact I am betting that within 5 years we will have attained room temperature superconductors.

Actually, I will bet that we won't have room temperature superconductors for at least 30 years, if ever. Unless there is a fundamentally new class of superconductors (I mean really fundamental) I think that -40 is the absolutely the best that can be done (and that with a whole lot of compression). That's ok, as there are superconductors pushing dry ice range. I don't know if we need anything colder than that for practical use.

We will see. With so much progress that's been made in just the past year I don't see it, but that's why it's a bet, it needs to push the boundaries.

[pfrit]

I thought we had already reached -40...

The current official high temp is 138K with claims of Tc of 168K under very high pressure. There are some claims of Tc's of temps approaching 200k. Take that with a huge grain of salt. 232K is a LONG way off from 138K. The real progress recently is in metalic and reletively pure materials. They are getting up to 40K. The problem is that the atomic structure of materials at room temp is just way to chaotic to superconduct.

[Skipjack]

I got my numbers from here:

http://www.superconductors.org/233K.htm

Now I am not so familiar with SCs. That is, I do not actively read up on them anymore, so it could be that this site is bogus (I followed a link from Nextbigfuture blog).

[pfrit]

I got my numbers from here:

http://www.superconductors.org/233K.htm

Now I am not so familiar with SCs. That is, I do not actively read up on them anymore, so it could be that this site is bogus (I followed a link from Nextbigfuture blog).

This is the guy I was referencing at the ~200k range. I guess he is now claiming higher. While he has a great history as an educator, he has no history as a scientist. Nothing he has done has been confirmed. I AM NOT saying that he is a flake, but he has been making EXTRAORDINARY claims. This is why I said to take it with a huge grain of salt. Right now he is claiming a 100K jump in Curie temp. When it is duplicated by three other groups that include UC Berkley (I know a bunch of people there), then I will factor it into my thinking.

[kurt9]

With the news from the Navy lab this week Cold Fusion is back in the spotlight. I think there is more to come check out the work this company is doing. They say they have produced excess heat and 2 labs have replicated the process. Would like to know what others think!
http://superwavefusion.com/

They seem to have the right people. One guy is a metallurist and another is a specialist in MHD energy conversion. However, their theory and concept seem totally out the window. Like Black Light Power, Jovion, and others; I'll believe these guys when I can buy a heater made by them at the local Home Depot.

[Skipjack]

Well what gives him credibility is that he is not holding out his hand for money and that he is publishing his results into the public domain.
Of course that does not automatically mean that what he is saying is true, but it does move him more towards the lower end of the bullshit scale.

Edit: That was in response to pfrt about the super conductor guy, Kurt 9 just posted right between me and pfrt.
Those cold fusion guys are waaaaay up the scale compared to that... at least in my book.

[pfrit]

Well what gives him credibility is that he is not holding out his hand for money and that he is publishing his results into the public domain.
Of course that does not automatically mean that what he is saying is true, but it does move him more towards the lower end of the bullshit scale.

Edit: That was in response to pfrt about the super conductor guy, Kurt 9 just posted right between me and pfrt.
Those cold fusion guys are waaaaay up the scale compared to that... at least in my book.

I agree. That's why I included his claim at the begining. His site is probably the best for learning about superconductors and he appears to be a competent engineer. All that said, those are extraordinary claims. I need alot of proof to believe it. And all he is measuring is transitions of Tc. He isn't measruing any other superconducting properties. His explanation is acceptable why (He is producing islands of superconductors). What he is producing is very interesting, but nothing else until it is confirmed.

[JohnP]

Any knucklehead can make a website. Popping off claims like 2500% energy gain without proof, without references to published results, puts you squarely in the Baloney League.

The greatest contribution of Pons & Fleishmann is not the work on LENR, but the lesson of going public with nothing to show.

[pfrit]

Any knucklehead can make a website. Popping off claims like 2500% energy gain without proof, without references to published results, puts you squarely in the Baloney League.

The greatest contribution of Pons & Fleishmann is not the work on LENR, but the lesson of going public with nothing to show.

Please go ahead and make a website with content like his and prove your point. Please. What you are saying is that a non-academic has no business doing research. My point is that his contributions need confirmation. That is what he is asking for. I am not holding my breath for its confirmation, but I DO NOT question his approach and I do not mock him. He IS asking for conformation and BTW it is a practical impossiblity for a nonacedemic, nondegreed person to get published in a peer reviewed journal.

I find it ironic that I, as an informed skeptic, am forced to defend him and his right to do research.

[JohnP]

I find it ironic that I, as an informed skeptic, am forced to defend him and his right to do research.

This thread's gone a-wandering. I was referring to the original poster and the superwavefusion site.